Is it any good?

Only if you enjoy awful cheesy pretentious garbage

I'm sure they have massive archives of shit

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I cannot get into any other tracks than Fire of the Mind, Triple Sun and especially Going Up, despite listening to it multiple times.
I love those tracks, but I really can't understand the appeal of a track like Tattooed Man.
Going Up is absolutely phenomenal though

it is a good entry into late-era Coil - their more introspective side, but also sometimes dramatic and over the top. it is also kind of messy and uneven, occasionally felling less like an album and more like a collection of songs (which is understandable because some of the songs have been created years earlier).

I really like it, but I also feel that if Jhon didn't die, this album wouldn't be held in such a high regard simply because they would create something that feels more like a definitive statement of mid-00s Coil in the same way that Horse Rotorvator is a definitive statement of 80s Coil, LSD is definitive statement of early 90s Coil and Musick to Play in the Dark is a definitive statement of late 90s/early 00s Coil.

I have 1.5k total listens to tracks from it so yeah I like it and I think it's good
Why do I only ever get 2-3 replies on my coil threads but you got 16? It's not fair

i really wish they recorded this with better sound
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Fuck john BALANCE

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>Why do I only ever get 2-3 replies on my coil threads but you got 16? It's not fair
it's not fair that your Coil threads don't get replies, but it's also not fair that this Coil thread gets so little. Dab Forums forgot about Coil, and it sucks.

the ape of naples

Pretty much this. It's a good album and a fine place to start, but I rarely listen to it compared to other albums from that era (Black Antlers and The Remote Viewer especially). Ape is a little too uneven, and to be honest a little too grim, to be anywhere near their best.

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SEDUCE...let loose
The vision and the void
Blood sickle, honey SUCK

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You have to start it with the Ape of Naples album cover image, off the bat, or people will scroll by

I saw one yesterday that had John Balance in his casket and he looked like a fucking dwarf

holy shit didn't know about these, thanks user

I do think that this grimness is a big part of what makes that era of Coil what it is. also, I'd probably consider Remote Viewer to be a part of an earlier era - an album from their ambient phase, like Musick To Play In The Dark or Moon's Milk. it's kind of arbitrary, but I think that true late-era Coil would be just stuff like Ape, Black Antlers, Backwards/New Backwards.

Is there any stuff with vocals

Purely instrumental music never does it for me

like... any Coil stuff with vocals? plenty of their music has vocals

I mean from those Threshold Archives

It's weird, what makes those albums part of one distinct phase as opposed to part of the previous one is the fact that all of them (even black antlers) were based off of going back to the backwards material, and reworking it. I've always considered those 3 albums to be the most similar to the first two as well, even though they sound totally different.

plenty of remixes and demos of their songs there. not always worthwhile though

>It's weird, what makes those albums part of one distinct phase as opposed to part of the previous one is the fact that all of them (even black antlers) were based off of going back to the backwards material, and reworking it
some of it was Backwards, some of it was based on their live improvisations. did John's death prevent Coil from becoming a jam band? maybe.

>I've always considered those 3 albums to be the most similar to the first two as well, even though they sound totally different.
I see where you're coming from, but I'll be a pretentious dickhead coilfag and say that they're a mirror image of those first albums. HTDA/Scatology felt aggressive, hedonistic, sexual. all those Backwards spinoffs feel melancholic, introspective, morbid. of course, Coil music always had those aspects in different proportions: HR was, after all, about both sex and death

The thing is, their late era was non-definitive by definition. The band was at the precipice of breaking up anyways, and it was as if they had reached this point where they were going in 30 different directions at once, but instead of committing to one, did all of it- Continuing Musick, revisiting Backwards, reworking Horse Rotorvator and going in a totally different direction with Black Antlers/Tatooed Man. It would've been great to see how Ape would've turned out had Balance not died, but I suspect the band wouldnt've survived long enough to finish it let alone release it.

I think you hit the nail on the head with that, I had meant Scatology and Horse Rotorvator, more than HTDA, but I think what you're saying applies regardless.

you might be right. also, I have a feeling that if he didn't die, he'd still be permanently too drunk and high to keep making music. you can hear it on their late live recording, he was always shitfaced. and of course the question 'what if Balance was not an alcoholic and drug addict' would require redoing most of his career (personally, I think the closest thing to that is C93 after he laid off substances in early 90s).

yeah, there is no world where coil exists and it doesn't end like it did. by the late 90s balance was permanently fried, and was seeing things at all times. the only thing that he could do to cope was drink.