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Fecesminist and sjw are mistake

Uhm well they're never going to fuck you Crumb.

That also means we can criticize you as well, cunt.

If he didn’t care what others though, he wouldn’t publish this stuff publicly

>crumb is a fun openly perverted underground cartoonist that loves to poke fun at everyone, including himself
>people are now trying to turn him into a divisive political icon
I get that this is your identity, but please stop trying to make it impossible to talk about Crumb's work.

Crumb was like the Chris Chan of his day.
Bakshi knew this too

>my criticism of you is that you're too critical of my drawings

And Mignola is just another Liefeld, huh?
kys

Shit over his leftists views and see how he cries like a bitch.

>fuck feminists
>it's just a prank sis, I support feminists

He was always a hack

Fuck You!

Mignola was the Ditko of the Claremont era
t. Don't know what the fuck I'm saying

For some context: the anti-pornography movement is a much less powerful aspect of feminist than it was in the 70s.

He didn’t make that argument.

>the anti-pornography movement is a much less powerful aspect of feminist than it was in the 70s.
This. It was one of the things feminists and moralist Christians agreed on

>the anti-pornography movement is a much less powerful aspect of feminist than it was in the 70s.
Then why do they bitch about sexy women in cartoons and vidya today?

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That wasn’t his argument. Obviously he cares, if you have contempt for stupid ideologies then you care.

>Then why do they bitch about sexy women in cartoons and vidya today?
Insecurity over aging.

I miss redpanels

according to one of the feminists in his harem from the crumb doc, he had an enormous penis and all the time he didn't spend drawing, was spent masturbating... to the tune of something like 9 times a day

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>Feminism drops to 0%

and abandoning this plank proved to be their ideological downfall, now Feminism doesn't stand for anything

You mlp tumblr faggots are really trying your best to turn this site into reddit.

Theyre just stonetoss 1.0 arent they?

It kinda does since the thing you call critisism isn't really critisism but a wierd kind of flirting where you act naughty naughty in the dissaccosiated intention of getting yourself raped because you never found a better way to get physical contact since the days where you upset your male authorities till they raped you.]

So it's not really critisism, it's only been playing as critisism since a generation of actual men decided to fuck off from civilizazion and let you find a new hair curler dildo.

funny. I heard from another feminist that he had a very small dick

Women are dumb enough to feel intimidated by an image.

>Then why do they bitch about sexy women in cartoons and vidya today?
Why do men bitch about the lack of sexy women in cartoons and vidya today?

>you will never marry the kind of woman you love to draw
Why even live?

You need to separate actual criticism from 'but muh feelings'
That being said, the feminist women might have actual criticisms, I don't know I haven't read what they wrote. Just don't lump all complaints with valid criticisms.

Yeah well too bad, it already happened.
>While presenting the award for Outstanding Artist, the cartoonist Ben Passmore, who is black, asserted that "comics is changing…and it's not an accident." He lamented the continued industry presence of "creeps" and "apologists," then called out the godfather by name: "Shit's not going to change on its own. You gotta keep on being annoying about it.…A while ago someone like R. Crumb would be 'Outstanding.'"

>The room erupted with both "ooohs" and booing. "A little while ago there'd be no boos," Passmore responded. "I wouldn't be up here, real talk, and yo—fuck that dude." The crowd burst into applause.

>Crumb's comics are "seriously problematic because of the pain and harm caused by perpetuating images of racial stereotypes and sexual violence," the Massachusetts Independent Comics Expo (MICE) explained last year when removing Crumb's name from one of its exhibit rooms.

>The Ignatz Awards crowd, Groth worries, "will not tolerate that kind of expression, and I think that's disturbing. Cartooning has a long history of being transgressive and controversial and pushing boundaries, and now we have a generation very much opposed to that, who want to censure fellow artists from doing work they don't approve of—even though they are able to do what they are doing and want to do precisely because of trailblazing on the part of artists they now abominate."

Something that is visually appealing is superior to something that is not visually appealing, thus the lack of visual appeal means that the product is inferior to what it could have been.

>writing, story and characters aren't important, only booba is
Have you considered watching porn?

It's messed up to suggest that the only place for attractive characters is pornography.

ITT: People who think Anita said "playing video games makes you a misogynist".

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>if I insert statements into his mouth, I can those statements
If story, writing, and characters are all equal, then also having visual appeal is superior.

And is even more messed up calling media that is not visually appealing, inferior

>If story, writing, and characters are all equal
No those are above visuals, I'd rather watch a show about stick figures with witty or funny writing than half an hour of boobs bouncing

STOP college-endorsed censoring!

Not at all. Comics and cartoons with good art and superior to comics and cartoons with bad art.

I can't tell if anti-feminists are trolling because "based" and "fucking retarded" are synonymous to them. The level of irony is lost in how little they care. If they don't care they would fuck off, so it's just pure, immature spite and culture war.

webcomics like It Hurts are very amateurish in terms of art yet are leaps above in quality than commercial comics drawn by professionals

But then femfreq goes full apeshit on Hitman.

Simpler art isn't bad. What matters is whether it's good or not.

Oh yeah, that was a shitty opinion that was just factually wrong. It borders on her just clickbaiting; "journalists" has said that getting information wrong gets an article more traffic.

>What matters is whether it's good or not.
Exactly, so why does it matter if your comic/show has sexy women in it?

Not that guy but yeah most are in agreement, that guy included. The only reason that was said was because someone said that visual appeal trumps everything else.

I admit it was a cherry-pick with Hitman.
Also:
>think Anita said "playing video games makes you a misogynist".
Then why she was obsessed about women portrayal in (mostly) very "fictional" settings?

Don't get it. Was Crumb asked / threatened to stop drawing? Or he simply make exaggerated reaction to general criticism?

Because her channel was just about providing a feminist perspective. It was always framed as a "take it or leave it" kind of tone where she never said that gamers would become rapists by playing sexy games, just provide a perspective that could help someone make a more feminist friendly game if that's what they're looking to make. She even says that most who perpetuate stereotypes mean no harm.

>Was Crumb asked / threatened to stop drawing?
Yes.

Source? I thought he was obscure even in his time, someone only indie comic dweebs cared about. How big of a deal was it?

Trina Robbins used to be a friend of his, but when he began to be increasingly popular she went full feminazi and attacked him publicly as much as possible.

>I thought he was obscure even in his time, someone only indie comic dweebs cared about
Not really, he became an instant classic in the 60s with his underground comics.

I agree that hand-wringing over media often goes too far, but honestly, this just makes him look stupid and rude.

>this just makes him look stupid and rude.
I take it you are completely unfamiliar with the works of R.Crumb.

>this just makes him look stupid and rude.
Literally all his comics are stupid and rude. That's the point.

This is fine, people are allowed to have opinions.

Not everything made has to appeal to everybody. People can dislike things that you like. People can be wrong.

You also can continue to enjoy the thing, it doesn't need global recognition, it doesn't need to have it's quality recognized by everybody. It is fine and fun for things to be subversive and underground.

But they second you get mad at someone getting mad, you are the dumbass.

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Well, then I guess he's doing his job pretty well. I feel like I should recognize him, but I don't. I'll keep reading the thread, I guess.

Not that guy, but then that flies in the face of the legitimacy of his statement. It just highlights what people had known and assumed. Might as well say "to all you feminist bitches: good point but I don't care!"

You are right, but there is also an audience for that. You can sell rebellion. That's how a right wing, pro-corporate political party whose entire philosophy revolves around giving more and more money to the already wealthy has convinced 74 million rubes to vote against their best interests.

>While male cartoonists were collaborating with each other, none ever offered to collaborate with her and ignored her requests. Her boyfriend at the time, Simon Deitch, was another cartoonist: "Crumb and Gilbert [Shelton] and [S. Clay] Wilson and Spain [Rodriguez] and Jim Franklin and I all went to L.A. and painted up this bar called the Oar House –- when I got back, Trina had joined Women’s Lib. Then it was a downhill flight" (Rosencrantz, Patrick. Rebel Vision. Fantagraphics Press, 2003). Of the cartoonists he mentions, in Zap! Comix #4 Gilbert Shelton drew the story "Wonder Warthog Breaks Up The Muthalode Smut Ring", wherein Wonder Warthog screws a woman named Lois Lamebrain to death because she laughs at his penis size. S. Clay Wilson, whom Crumb claimed as artistic inspiration, produced a strip in another Zap!, entitled "A Ball in the Bunghole", where a girl in a pony outfit is shot through her vagina while being forced to perform fellatio. Spain Rodriguez, one of Crumb’s more ardent admirers, produced a story for Kiss (1969) where a leather-clad dominatrix interrupts a man having sex with a naked lady. Undaunted, he punches her in the face, saying, "All I wanna do is get laid would ya mind?" At this response, the girl he is ardently "laying" moans, "My hero." These were the most popular cartoonists of the day, a veritable "old boys’ club", and their comix provided a blueprint for aspiring artists: in order to be part of the club, you had to treat women badly on the page and keep them out of the comix in real life.

It looks like they shut out Trina because they want to have more fun, she gets jaded on the industry and goes women's lib, and then they go more anti-feminist to prove her point.

Voting is always against your best interests, so don't get smug.

jesus christ you are stupid as fuck. is talking about the overall aesthetics of the project

>That's how a right wing, pro-corporate political party whose entire philosophy revolves around giving more and more money to the already wealthy has convinced 74 million rubes to vote against their best interests.
But the Democrats are officially left wing. I understand why you say so, because it's difficult to tell the (increasingly nonexistent) difference.

>I literally can't tell the difference between any two things

>there's totally a difference between that crook and this crook

>smugpepe.jpg

Tell me when the war in Afghanistan ends or Wall Street and big corporations don't get special protections, and then I'll agree that the Democrats are the party of the people, okay?

>is talking about the overall aesthetics of the project
And what does sexy women have to do with it? Also not all aesthetics appealing or interesting yet they make up with strong writing and characters
Space Ghost CtC is mostly reused animations of the original show and yet it was super memorable

Not that guy but there's always a lesser evil to consider. Throwing up your hands and saying, "who cares, everyone lies" is only being selective and disingenuous.

Crumb made a series of comics that were simply titled. "what if blank race took over" which got alot of play among neo-nazis. And got him a lot of heat

Because i want hot ladies and fan service in media, prude filth

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>This only happens under Democrats
>we haven't been in a recession during the last three republican presidents terms

>I don't want quality, I want to coooom

Pretending there's "lesser evil" is being selective and disingenuous.

>ha ha, i will just say what you said
>mom, i'm winning, ha ha

Good, become hysterical. Makes it easier to ignore bullshit you're spewing.

SJW shit isnt quality, prude

Never said it was, just like adding tits to something doesn't make it good either

"Everything is equally evil" doesn't make sense and you know it. It's not a binary of "it is or it isn't" and the justice system reflects that with how crimes are sentenced differently.

"This politician is better than that politician" is bullshit and you know it. You can only disagree if you have an agenda to push.

Crumb was actually talented and self aware though. His satire was heavy handed but he's always been pretty aware of what a creep he comes off as

>just like adding tits to something doesn't make it good either
Makes it at least enjoyable, puritan cock sucker

it certainly improves it
boobs are natural your tranny dicktwat isn't

>Makes it at least enjoyable
>Who cares if the writing, characters and such are bad, look tiddies
Like I said, you're better off watching porn and cut the middleman

I don't think it's okay when an opinion becomes something more than opinion and is instead a cancelling tool

Are you saying that Space Ghost is not a handsome beast?

>"durr just watch porn hurr"
What part of i want fan service in media dont you get, SJW prude?

too late Groth, you FAGGOT. it's partially your fault

>What part of i want fan service in media dont you get
It's not like there's already an entire industry dedicated to show attractive women in little to no clothing

There are factually better politicians, even if you see them as all criminals. Chances are you'd rather be raped by a dude with a small dick who didn't have AIDS. Or are you going to tell me you'd just take a big AIDS dick up the ass because all rapists are the same?

the only irony is that you use "anti-feminist" instead of a "healthy normal person who doesn't have a shit for brain"

No but Zorak is

Hitmans is a bad comic, though

She also writes feminist propaganda books.

I'd rather have all rapists in prison. :^)

There's nothing SJW about hating fan service when you're trying to watch something that's good by it's own merits. Fan service is a waste of time, I'd rather that time and energy be spent on making a good show.

yeah, but I don't vote for democrats, so?

???

Because her male co-workers snubbed her. He said she got into women's lib after they ignored her.

>lesser evil
LMAO

>got into women's lib after they ignored her
Feminism in a nutshell.

>There are factually better politicians
Lol, you for real? Let me then laugh louder

I don't understand your questions

Wasted trips
>There's nothing SJW about hating fan service when you're trying to watch something that's good by it's own merits. Fan service is a waste of time, I'd rather that time and energy be spent on making a good show.
Literal cuck mentality

>I'm tired of feminist pushing woke politics instead of making something good
>Who cares about quality and good media? I just want to see tits!
Literal cümbrain

My entire point is that 'voting against your best interests' happens whether you bought into Trump or not (I didn't, but I understand why people did).
Obama had eight years to end the war in Afghanistan, Trump had four, Bush started it, none of them ended it. The bailouts and the Wall Street Bets shebang made it clear that Wall Street can cheat whenever they want. The protests/riots have made it clear that the government is losing legitimacy and have to resort to force or squeaking in precedent through a judge ruling whenever they want anything actually done. Epstein's killer will never be pushed into the light, even though everyone with a brain knows he was murdered. Trump certainly didn't make America great again, not like he could if he wanted to with Congress in a perpetual deadlock state.
Biden has clearly been shown to have issues speaking coherently on television, but they pushed him anyway. One of the first things he did was backtrack on a campaign promise. If they had selected another candidate I MIGHT have voted Democrat, but that hardly matters when his ass is owned by major corporations and Twitter and Facebook enjoy manipulating access to information like the Russian bots they claim to despise. Political shit is nothing but a bunch of petty squabbles taking place about ideological points completely detached from reality, much like this thread.
Part of the reason I get so up in arms about people being nasty and rude is because it's so soaked into our culture that nothing useful is ever going to get done because people are incapable of speaking in a civil manner. When is the last time you've seen public proof of two groups respectfully disagree with each other and work out a compromise? It's drowned out in the deluge of accusations, spite, and 'well he's worse', making it impossible for people to come to any sort of happy medium. It's not just me being uncomfortable with conflict, it's an actual serious problem.

>read Dune
>Me: What a good book.
>You: No you cuck it needed anime toddies and panty shots.

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>thinks tits are bad
what a homosexual you are

Dune has titties though, but then again, so does Shakespeare

>quality bad
>tits good
What a monkey tied to his primal desires you are

That's not what makes them good though. And titties don't have to be good anime tiddies.

nice backpedalling, but you're fooling no one tranny

No but being a living breathing cultural icon sitting in the house on the French riviera that was traded to you for your old sketchbooks makes you fairly immune to it.

I'm sure he goes online looking for things to care enough about to draw relevant art since he does have an addiction to fame

>Dune has titties though
So does "SJW media" I guess they are good now

>greentexting
>hysterical
>haha, mom, I've got him where i want him now haha

It's not backpedaling, the original post implied Dune didn't have anime tiddies and panty shots. If has neither.

No one is cancelling Crumb. You can get Crumb stuff everywhere. He's universally recognized as a genius. If someone doesn't like Crumb, they are flat wrong, you can say that with confidence. A few people being upset has no impact on that.
But when you are getting upset at them being upset, you are now the dumbass.

it has both, and you're a faggot

He was living like that when he made the comic? If he was immune to criticism why would he respond so angrily?

sjw media don't have boobs they remove them

>smugpepe2.jpg
>i don't read the threads, I just get outraged and respond immediately

Kill yourself prude filth

If you don't understand the problem, then you're part of it. And your lame cliche reply that I've read every time it was getting worse is tiresome. You can move the goalposts if you want, I'm out of this bullshit. Get fucked, and I hope you get raped brutally

>I literally need a wall of text to explain the very bad argument I am trying to make

>I type so fast that I leave space between the quote and greentest
>but I pretend I am calm and witty when in fact I am none
everything's fine.jpg

In the theater of your mind, all female characters are hot anime chicks until stated otherwise?

With posts like these, it's no wonder why coomers get such bad reputation
They don't care about quality anymore, just to watch tits and asses, and if it doesn't have them it is considered SJW
In their minds, Ping Pong the anime is SJW

You are really upset because you are addicted to outrage. It's the same thing that is giving you paranoid delusions that Crumb, or appreciating his work, is in danger.
Being addicted to outrage is a common occurrence in our modern culture. Everyone thinks everyone else is doing it but themselves. You don't have to feel ashamed of it, but you should try to be aware of it, and think how it might be effecting your perspective, especially on political issues.

>I need to write greentext to make no point at all
Are you just going to keep smugly making one-line replies while listing .jpg images that you don't post, or are you going to actually address any of my concerns?
This is exactly the problem I brought up. You don't actually care about the issues at hand, you just care about feeling smart and 'correct'. It doesn't add anything, it doesn't improve anything, it just makes you feel better than the other person and continues the cycle of useless snark exchange.

>I am so mad right now

>this is a serious issue that deserves serious discourse
>laughing_whores.jpg

Saying "this is bad because it doesn't pander to me" isn't really criticism though.

>No one is cancelling Crumb.
>Crumb's comics are "seriously problematic because of the pain and harm caused by perpetuating images of racial stereotypes and sexual violence," the Massachusetts Independent Comics Expo (MICE) explained last year when removing Crumb's name from one of its exhibit rooms.

Redpanels is literally Stonetoss before he rebranded to make himself more "normie friendly", still the same content less overt nazism.

>Massachusetts
Of course.

>nothing useful is ever going to get done because people are incapable of speaking in a civil manner
This. We've really passed the threshold on civil discourse but everyone's so far up their own asses with wanting to be the dominant voice in every conversation and painting the other person as your mortal, ideological nemesis. There's no room for "happy mediums" because everyone wants to be the victor in every conversation; endless "no u's" and whataboutism; being "wrong" or coming to any sort of measured compromise in discussion is considered a mortal sin. And I guarantee you there are people right now reading this who read that last sentence and immediately thought, "Yeah, the left" or "that's the right, alright." The internet and social media has fractured humanity back into a tribal age where you can actively ignore actual discourse with the "other side," there is no need for the exchange of ideas to flow freely outside of your own bubble, where even media companies and the 4th estate can adjust their messaging to suit its viewers so that they're always insulated.

We're fucked. We are royally past being fucked. Your children, and your children's children, will inherit be inheriting a world from which there is no going back.

OH SHIT, HOW WILL I EVER READ R CRUMB IF THE MASSACHUSETTS INDEPENDENT COMIC EXPO REMOVES HIS NAME FROM ONE OF THEIR EXHIBIT ROOMS!

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>The internet and social media has fractured humanity back into a tribal age where you can actively ignore actual discourse with the "other side,"
Yeah, remember when everyone loved each other before the Internet arrived and ruined everything?

criticise =/= get fired

>type Robert Crumb into google
>click shopping
>one hundred million results

>all those replies
damn the strawmanning cuckservatives really got triggered huh?

The difference is that, for the most part, you still had to contend with outside ideas that could challenge you. Before the internet, the village idiot was still the village idiot. Now the village idiot can seek out those who are like of mind, now he doesn't see himself as the village idiot anymore but part of a community of other reasonable, rational people (they all think like him, after all!) and can spend his time listening to them. If any ideas float his way that challenge his preconceptions, why, he simply has to turn to people he knows have his back.

That's how discussion has died.

The fuck kinda comparison is this?

You think they're going to stop there, that's cute.

this unironically.
puritains get the rope.

their movement doesnt work without a target
you will see their own icons become targets aswell in time

>the sky is falling the SJWs will destroy all we love!
bitches there have been people like this since before the era of electricity, relax

No, but criticism was a completely different component of art in 1971.

because wanin somehing removed and not wanting someone to remove somehing are not the same thing and you are doing a false equivalence
nobody is complaining hat minecraft is lacking big tt gfs, they are angry that games tha used o have sexy girls or have sexy girls in other countries dont have them anymore

thats like 300 years ago at most
thats not that long ago

they literally remove its from cartoon characters

ok and?

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and the only thing driving their movement is driving the movement, there is no end goal and they are bound to get more desperate as time goes on
that not only means that nothing is safe and punishment will become more severe and crazy

But if you could watch her have sex with another woman, would you?