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Is there an actual audience for this? From what I understand Spawn is cool idea with neat art but comic ultimately sucks, or is this book suddenly amazing or something? It’s also kinda funny how anti comic book establishment he has been and now suddenly he is waxing poetic about making connected universe like DC and Marvel.
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At least in the first few years, it was a fun dumb action comic with very good art.
> McFarlane says: "The simple question is this: DC Comics started a shared universe in the late 1930's. Marvel Comics began theirs in the early 1960's… so, can lightning strike a third time beginning in 2021? I personally do not have the answer to that question right now, but the only way to get an answer to that question is to make the attempt in the first place."
The fuck does that even mean?
Don't the Image comics characters already share an universe?
It was loosely shared, in as much as they could use characters from each others comics. But since then every other comic had shit like time jumps so it was not a cast iron rule. Dragon turned up in Invincible and TMNT, Youngblood was in Spawn, Mars Attacks Image had... everyone, and so on.
The last time they tried this shared crossover crap was Image United, which only made it to like 3 issues and has been on hiatus since over a decade.
Yes and no.
They've repeatedly done shit to write Rob Liefeld's shit in and out of continuity (even had all of Rob's characters die off-screen in a Savage Dragon event at one point during one of Rob's periods of being exiled from Image).
As it stands, only the OG Image characters and Invincible share a joint universe. But they go out of their way largely to ignore each other, especially after Image turned into Vertigo-lite with the influx of failed TV/Movie pitches.
I haven't read Spawn since #195, so I have no idea what's going on now. Back in the day though, there were several spinoffs that were straight up better than the core book. Hellspawn, Curse of the Spawn, Sam & Twitch, and Violator were all great comics. I never read much of Spawn The Dark Ages, but it looked interesting.
me and every other guy with hair on his chest
Yeah that’s what I generally hear
Not sure if serious, if so why do you enjoy Spawn?
People still care about Spawn?
That’s what I’m trying to figure out lol but either I’m posting at wrong time of day to talk to spawn fans here or they just don’t exist on this board which is most likely to me. I mean bout the most love I see for spawn on this site is over on /toy/
It's complicated. At first they heavily tied stuff together (you can see this in the early Image where you had Youngblood show up in Wildcats or something) but then problems came up when Silvestri planned to leave Image and then later Liefeld left Image. You can see the effects of this in Shattered Image, where the intent was to have Silvestri's characters removed, but then Liefeld's characters were completely removed without anyone noticing, and then Silvestri's characters suddenly popped back in the Image Earth in the last panel.
Then a few years after that Jim Lee sold Wildstorm to DC, and so everyone just had the general rule that a crossover might be sort of canon with one or both books but an Image book can go in a different direction that the creator wants and the other creators don't have to worry about it. So Erik Larsen can blow up the Earth and replace it with a different Earth while Spawn doesn't have to acknowledge that. Bomb Queen had Invincible and Youngblood and Shadowhawk in it, but isn't in continuity with Spawn or Savage Dragon.
Lightning already struck a third time, Jodoverse exists.
No. And they never did. Anyone in this thread saying otherwise hasn't read those comics. Even when they did crossovers (like the Spawn/WildC.A.T.S. miniseries) they would explicitly say that the characters were only meeting because of a "multiverse" or some magical dimension crossing bullshit.
Not a huge amount but Spawn was quite huge in the 90s, so generally, 90s kids do. The world doesn't always revolve around the current trending topic, zoomer. Sometimes people have interests that aren't dictated by popularity, unlike the majority of modern comic "fans" who only feign interest because the MCU became a hipster commodity.
Are Marvel and DC really the only shared comic universes?
No.
Yeah but I'm a 90's kid and I never gave two shits about Spawn because mom never bought me any
Valiant my man.
The Mignolaverse.
You didn't read any of those comics.
Hellboy and Black Hammer exist
Currently? Yes.
All time? Not even close.
I read them when they came out.
The Youngbloods are talked about a heap in the early issues of Spawn.
Right, right, that's what I thought. So McFarlane is full of shit
Time for some classic Image
So do you currently read it? If so why do you enjoy it?
And I think First Comics had some crossovers between their titles too.
To further elaborate on this, there used to be Ultraverse, Comics' Greatest World, Dynamite's aborted attempt at a pulp universe that went literally nowhere and basically got abandoned after like one miniseries, the now nearly forgotten Genesis Universe, and someone mentioned Valiant but I don't remember if they actually shared a single continuity or not. And that's not even counting other shared universes that Marvel or DC have had at various points in time (like Marvel's "New Universe").
They'd have to be, considering Chapel from Youngblood was the dude that killed Al Simmons.
And yet there is clearly NO shared continuity. NOTHING that happened in one Image book would EVER affect another Image book.
Not in any way that implied a shared continuity though.
> and someone mentioned Valiant but I don't remember if they actually shared a single continuity or not.
They had a like 20-issue crossover event called Unit in the 90's
>Not in any way that implied a shared continuity though.
The point of Cynosure is that it's a connecting point for all realities so all their comics might as well be canon I guess
Unity*
I'm willing to give this a chance. The only thing Todd loves more than money is himself, so unless this is a pure ego thing, he might actually want to give the fans what they want and not treat this as a vanity project or a TV show pitch unlike every other modern comics industry pro.
Has he said what titles there're going to be?
I thought Todd was writing and directing a Spawn movie, what happened to that?
But was there ever a shared continuity within the regular monthly books? I don't know how in the fuck you could possibly rationalize Magnus and Turok coexisting in the same setting.
Almost guaranteed that's never happening. There's been literally no word in like 3 or 4 years.
They had The Lost Land, which sent Turok into the present day. Unity set up a crossover where all the characters were transported from different times.
Magnus meanwhile took place in the far future of the Valiant universe.
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>The Valiant Universe is the shared universe of the characters originally created by Jim Shooter.
That's enough for me!
Disney comics arguably could be considered a "shared universe", but not in the sense of "actually giving a fuck about continuity".
Don Rosa cares...
Don't forget (or do) IDW's dumpster fire attempt at a reboot of all Hasbro properties into a single shared universe.
Or Archie for that matter.
Magnus and Rai took place in the far future
Turok was originally from the past (18th Century) who ended up in the Lost Lands, described as a place where "time has no meaning". That was how Magnus meets him, and later how Turok got involved in the Unity crossover and then thrown into the present day.
How do I into Valiant? I want to read the John Ostrander stuff at least.
I know it meets the definition but Black Hammer has got to be one of the laziest, most rushed shared universes out there. Lemire creates an expy of an existing comic character or team, gives them four issues, then fucks off to create another expy. Like, the work ethic is impressive, but damn man, what's the point of making all these characters if you don't DO anything with them? I don't even know if he's still doing the main Black Hammer title anymore.
I for one welcome any and all tributes to Robinson's Starman.
Just read the stuff by (or overseen by) Jim Shooter first, you'll then get a feel for it. At a minimum, start with Solar: Man of the Atom #1-11. There's a backup story in #1-10 which makes up the "Alpha and Omega" story, which not only is a prequel to the main story of #1-4, it explains how he originally got the powers.
I forget which issues make up the Shooter period, but I know Shooter leaves not long after Unity is over. I believe the final issue he did was Rai #0, which outlined the timeline he planned to go from the then present-day to Magnus' future timeline.
This one I actually kinda liked. Plus it turns out he indirectly creates a Green Lantern Corps kind of thing
I see, I see.
Yeah, this was good. I don't know, maybe I'm still a little bitter because I really liked the first two volumes of Black Hammer and it just seemed like Lemire wanted to spend more time beefing up his universe than finishing his story. None of these spinoffs really seem to impact the main story in any real way. It also doesn't help he cashed in an adaptation with Legendary amidst all of this, though that was a few years ago and I haven't heard much about that since.
I kind of have this feeling that a lot of people today don't really worldbuild that well, and I'm not sure what it is that's missing.
World-building requires more imagination than just doing pastiches of old stuff.
I wouldn't consider that a "shared universe". That's really pushing it. Just because they did crossovers doesn't change that.
It won't be unique or extravagant as DC and Marvel. It's essentially Spiderverse or Batmanverse, not a full blown universe with different characters, abilities, and costumes. They are just different versions of Spawn.
There was also Chaos Comics. And to include some REALLY obscure stuff, there's also AC Comics, Heroic Publishing, and Big Bang Comics.
Has he said that? I wouldn't be surprised if McFarlane uses it as an excuse to debut new characters.
Though you're obviously still completely right as it not being "unique or extravagant as DC and Marvel". That goes without saying.
This sounds so Mark Millarish, like you're the only dude in the universe who ever had the idea to do a shared superhero universe since Stan Lee
Your definitions have now left the realm of reality and entered the realm of autism. Reconsider your life.
Yet the Omega Spawn will be somehow involved in this new "universe'' since McFarlane isn't one to let a good action fig....I mean character design to waste
It's a shared universe because they're intended to be on the same timeline. It's just Turok came from the 18th century, and ended up in the present. Eternal Warrior, Armstrong, and Timewalker are all immortals, and all showed up in the present day of the 90s, and then in Magnus and Rai's books which take place in 4000 AD or whatever it was.
I can't speak to the original Valiant, but the 2012 reboot certainly does enough to be considered a shared universe. Toyo Harada, the lead villain of Harbinger is considered one of the most dangerous threats in the Valiant universe, to the point that Project Rising Spirit created Bloodshot with the specific intention of taking him out. Bloodshot also kidnapped psiots for PRS which paved the way for the first crossover of the reboot. PRS also pops up in Archer and Armstrong as one of the members of the Sect trying to kill Armstrong. Another member of the Sect is the Vine, an secret alien race that infiltrated Earth in the pages of XO Manowar. Manowar, by the way, got on the wrong side of Toyo Harada who formed a team of heroes, which included the Eternal Warrior who is the brother of Armstrong.
Can't speak to how they interplay as a universe now, but they were definitely a small, interconnected universe for the first few years.
That's not a shared universe, that's just a universe with a lot of crossovers in the same timeline.
That's a shared universe.
No, actually he is talking about hundreds of characters.
That's long term goal of course.
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Todd you're dumb, stop being dumb.
I understand that, my point is it seems like there is a niche audience for ONE comic. Why 20 some odd years later does he think people suddenly are gonna wanna pick up a comic in the 300’s AND like 3 other books that tie in?
Because he is very intelligent.
I mean I guess. Somehow he manages to keep everyone intrigued every few years when a movie or new show is gonna happen and then doesn’t happen, and the cycle begins anew. He popped up in mortal kombat not long ago, and might as well milk the audience he has while he has it.
King Spawn, Gunslinger Spawn, The Scorched (Spawns superhero team).
>hundreds of characters
Quite interesting to see which characters will make the cut and stay or wither out. I think we should brainstorm characters that will fit in his universe just for fun.
Here's Pickle Spawn.
here we go again
That guy would fit just fine, but he is already owned by another company.
That world is big battleground between heaven and hell, they could show us how does it look for those that are caught in between. Magicians, exorcists, spawn/angel killers...
McFarlane already teased it with that Cagliostro character.
1930s?
Justice League was 1960s. Were there any guest appearances prior Justice League?
>Justice League was 1960s
Have you ever heard of the The Justice Society of America?
JSA also wasn't 1930s, it was 1940s
You asked me if they had anything prior to the Justice League, I answered. You can stop bitching at me.
25 years late
He obviously means that DC acknowledges their shared universe as going back to the 30s. Marvel doesn't really acknowledge anything as canon before Fantastic Four.
>Marvel doesn't really acknowledge anything as canon before Fantastic Four.
So Captain America wasn't a WW2 soldier?
So is he planning on this lasting past his death? Like this is going to be the way that he keeps Spawn around forever?
Those are actually announced? When do they debut new characters (if ever)?
If any of the new characters are even slightly good and there's no political faggotry then it might actually sell decently. I don't think there's any chance (even a small one) of it being a "hit", but I could see some books cracking the 20,000 mark or at worst 10,000, which for indie books is enough to justify their existence.
>he is already owned by another company.
Not like that would stop any Image creator do their own DONUT STEEL
It's sales have gone up five fold since #300. All without a reboot and a new #1.
You made this thread yesterday, Todd. Nobody cares
I'm hoping they bring back an ongoing Sam and Twitch book
Should I read Spawn? Or does it suck. I remember seeing online that there are multiple 15-25 issue stretches that never got collected in tpb form because there just wasn’t enough interest.
It definitely sucks ass, but you should start reading from the beginning to see what people used to think good comics were like in the 90's.
It's not unforgivably terrible or anything, but having read the first volume or two I can't in good faith recommend it There's Valiant, at least the 2012 relaunch
no in comics there are like 15
in anime, tv, movies, board/card games and video games there like 200
At least it's consistent.
I guess no one here knows much about the industry but Spawn say a huge bump in 2019 when they got to the 300th issue. Back issues (especially from when no one was reading and printing numbers were very low) became a huge source of profit for struggling comic shops. So for some reason, yeah people do care about Spawn again. At least a lot of people as far as what "a lot" means when it comes to comic shop customers these days.
*saw a huge bump
And to add to what I was saying, I have spoke to a couple comic shop owners about Spawn becoming semi-relevant again and both of the said Spawn back issues were a huge help to them last year during the lockdown when they did not have new books to sell. I can see a lot of shops ordering these new books and giving them a chance over that.
Wasn't the whole point of Image to defy all the corporate crap that comes from shared universes
Spawn!
no it was for them to make more money for their own work by owning the characters
No, the whole point of Image was for a bunch of shitheads who thought they were rockstars to make more money