Why do portuguese get so upset when you mention pic related

No. Only the Visigoths were and they became an assimilated minority

the same.

VGH the golden age of islam theology

This is what they took away from us

This
The first Umayyad caliph in Spain was blonde and blue eyed.

Disgusting

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the best thing i could read about Al' Andalus were how jews, christians and muslim actually get along and made society together.

imagine reddit, Dab Forums and facebook walk into bar, and have an actual discussion

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This is how Visigoths were depicted during the sack of Rome

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>why do Romanians get so upset when you mention pic related
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If you mean mentioning Al-Andalus or the Arab invasion we don't get upset at all.

In fact its our favourite period in history after the early discoveries.

If you mean the actual map in pic related, then I do get upset because the borders are inaccurate

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Why do romanians get so upset when everybody call them gypsies?

they were about 40 years in Galicia, only Asturias and part of Santander resisted

Visigoth sounds like a Pokémon name

>how jews, christians and muslim actually get along
but that's a lie, just like people selling here that we retook the land claping and singing.

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1- The jews don't have to tell them anything, the arabs invaded christian regions right at its inception with egypt, christian judea and levant.
Also, by getting along you are disregarding the fact that christians and jews were barred from some type of offices and they had to pay jyzia.

>we retook the land claping and singing.
Moorish overlords went back to Morocco and people just started larping as christians.

Because:
1-Not our culture
2-Not our religion
3-Not our people
4-Not our language

Do you even history? the final push against Cordoba was done because the last Ummayad died, they were from Damascus.

>they were from Damascus
In fact, they were not. tariq ibn ziyad and his army were from here and algeria.

Yes, that's not Abd al-Rahman I, founder of the Arab dynasty that ruled the greater part of Iberia for nearly three centuries

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Once in University my jewish professor had to mention the Reconquista and its spanish/portuguese Kings. She was literally seething with contempt. She probably got a little wet too.
How dare white christian goys mop the floor with my beloved Hakans?! You could literally see her gritting her teeth in rage as she spoke.

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They were as much in Galicia as they were in Asturias, Cantabria or the Basque country or France, which is nothing.

There were raids everywhere, even in Asturias and Cantabria. The Battle of Covadonga was an ambush on a Muslim army sent to collect taxes, so the Muslims definitely got to Asturias and Cantabria as well.

Thing is Military raids =/= Ocupation, and there were no permanent Muslim garrisons north of the Duero and Ebro rivers.
If you read the chronicles of the Kings of Asturias, they don't say they conquer the lands from the Moors, they say they subdue the lands of the Galicians and the Basques, as if they were autonomous peoples. And there aren't reports of any offensive battles undertaken by the Asturians in that area, because there was no organised resistance, because there were no garrisons.

Just because those lands were not integrated i the Kingdom of Asturias, doesn't mean they belong to the Caliphate or Cordoba either. The degree of comunal autonomy in the early middle ages was incredibly higher than today, these people didn't consider themselves part of any country, they were their own village and paid tribute to whoever marched an army there.

With that said, Galicia was incorporated into the kindom of Asturias in 738, thats not even 20 years after the colapse of the Visigothic kingdom, and definitely earlier than the establishment of the kingdom of Navarra or the Frankish marches.

Basques are the most based people in Europe have they ever been defeated ?

Not true at all, even the muslims were divided and disliked each others here

Many times mate.

All the time

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you have to understand like 80% of alandalus were just converted germanic visigoths, arab muslims only really populated granada and cordoba.

>19th century romantic art is a realistic depiction of how the visigoths looked
Please drink less Vodka

they have been part of Castille or France > 10 centuries

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More like 5, navarra existed though they prolly weren't very basque during the later years.

1-yes this is your culture
2-yes this is your past and future religion
3-yes this is your people
4-yes this is your language

>navarra
they were ruled by France, just like Iparralde

That's why i said by the end they weren't

i don't find any phrase saying jizya actually burdening the jews nor christians. i agree it's unfair toward people of books but it's still count as contributing toward your overlord.
which personally, i prefer than cuck my wife to mongol horde couple centuries later.

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The jews opened the gates so the muslims could kill the christians

More brown as no reconquista would have happened, the average guy living in roman Baetica was 50% north african.

actually, true or not. there's almost no documentation of how horde of berber captured almost entire peninsula that quick.
and if your speculation true then my *pic related* most probably also could be true.

An then Tariq was cucked by based Musa from Yemen and when berbers chimped they were spanked and told to behave.
>but the berber rebellion was succesful!
Not in Spain

this, reconquista made iberia more european than ever before

Jyzya was an incremental tax.
Also we are talking about an ever smaller percentage of the population, most christians with 3 digit IQ fled north and the border regions were deserts.

es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desierto_del_Duero

There is no english article, border regions were heavily unpopulated since christians in iberia fled north to the kingdom of asturias. So the jizya tax was not something you would just accept unless you already had good lands and were a minor christian noble

I'm not gonna read all that shit. Al Andalus is taught at schools here and I studied medieval history of Spain in uni too. Jews in Spain were considered muslim sympathizers by both sides, there's no controversy about it.

Iberia was 99% iberian and 1% germanic, with the moors it became 95% iberian, 5% berber/arab, with the reconquista it became 70% iberian 20% french/german/euromutt mix and then the moors were expelled.

Case in point:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Lisbon

>Some of the crusaders set sail and continued on their journey around the Iberian Peninsula and were invited by Count Ramon Berenguer IV of Barcelona to help him capture the city of Tortosa on the Ebro.[14] However, most of the crusaders settled in the newly captured city, thus boosting the number of Christian supporters in Iberia. Gilbert of Hastings was elected bishop marking the beginning of the historic relationship between England and Portugal which would later form the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance. In spite of the contractual nature of the city's surrender, a legend arose that the Portuguese warrior and nobleman, Martim Moniz, sacrificed himself in order to keep the city doors open to the conquering Christian armies.
>Some of the crusaders set sail and continued on their journey around the Iberian Peninsula and were invited by Count Ramon Berenguer IV of Barcelona to help him capture the city of Tortosa on the Ebro.[14] However, most of the crusaders settled in the newly captured city, thus boosting the number of Christian supporters in Iberia. Gilbert of Hastings was elected bishop marking the beginning of the historic relationship between England and Portugal which would later form the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance. In spite of the contractual nature of the city's surrender, a legend arose that the Portuguese warrior and nobleman, Martim Moniz, sacrificed himself in order to keep the city doors open to the conquering Christian armies.

So more than half of the german,englush and flemish army stayed in lisbon

They only conquered Toledo, the other castles just surrendered as the nobles were promissed their land would be maintained only Pelagio went against it.In my opinion the visigoths were really shit at administration, they used byzantine currency still instead of making their own coins, and it seemed they gave no shit about the general population, there was a huge disconnect between cities and nobody knew what the fuck was going ond

we're taught here that the dutch are merciless colonialist pig that suck dry the natives. we eat those shit raw until high school.
then internet and EU4 came, and figured out most of the lesson were crap tier propaganda.

read book or learn history, live isn't that long pedro.

This and many muslims from slavery origin of Baltic, the called Al-Saqalibas...

>Bro, remember this one time 4000 dudes settled in a city?
>Yeah, those 4000 dudes totally turned contributed for 20% of the Iberian gene pool.

Also
>99% iberian and 1% germanic

Wtf does this even mean?
If you mean in a generic ancestry/cultural/whatever it was more like 50% Celtic, 15% Iberic, 10% Tartessian, 5% Basque and 10% Italic, 5% Germanic and 5% Other (Greek, Punic, Hebrew etc...)

In actual genetic terms, 80% Indoeuropean, 5% Neolithic Farmer, 5% Hunter-Gatherer, 5% Near-Eastern Farmer, 5% other.

You might be the dumbest person in the world. The population of Portugal was 1 million in the age of discoveries, this was 400 years before, where it was probably not even half a million. 8000 BVLL germanics bred iberian women and made this girls in pic related

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King of Navarre actually became King of France after some bloody 16th century civil war. So technically Navarre took over France and not the opposite kek

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>The jews
The Count of Ceuta did because the king raped his daughter
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florinda_la_Cava

Cantabrians warriors all poisened themselves when they lost the war against Rome. Roman BVLLs cucked them and fucked their women.

I still get raped by cute arab girls today

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The men fought and died:
The women poisoned themselves and their childreen to avoid rape and slavery.

Delusional.

All Cantabrian and Asturian males were killed. The women were later raped and impregnated by Roman BVLLs.

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my ancestors

user I don't know how it is on the 3rd world but this is europe, the propaganda here is that al andalus were the good guys.

The Ceutan guy invited them, didn't open any gates on the peninsula

>All Cantabrian and Asturian males were killed.

>The women were later raped and impregnated by Roman BVLLs.
The women died too, they used Teixo poison to kill themselves and their children.

This is just high copism from Christians getting excuses. The reality is that the visigothic nobility backstabbed the king at the worst possible time

>with the reconquista it became 70% iberian 20% french/german/euromutt mix and then the moors were expelled.

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This.

Goths are treacherous cvnts.

This, all goths converted to islam except for the asturians and maybe tudmir

get raped by arabs who are barely even trying and then push them out of your tiny shit country after they give you math, science, architecture, writing, etc and their leader dies 1000 kilometers away

yes

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Because it's gone...

lol ruskie

There never were whites in Spain. Even visigoths were eastern roman mutts that barely could speak some germanic words.

>"... the swarthy faces of the Silures, the curly quality, in general, of their hair, and the position of Spain opposite their shores, attest to the passage of Iberians in old days and the occupation by them of these districts; ..." (Tacitus Annales Xi.ii, translated by M. Hutton)

>only Asturias and part of Santander resisted

nope

>Gijón was capital of the Muslim territories on the Cantabric Sea, under the power of Munuza, for a short period between 713 and 718 or 722.

>nooooo not the heckin' innocent Musliminos

Lucky for us, we've never had this bait thread on int before, and definitively not daily.

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Why did Christians allow this?
This all could have been Popes land today

Because euros were too busy killing each other to give a shit.