Are you for or against colour blind casting in historical period dramas like Mary, Queen of Scots? How many Asians and Africans would have lived in the noble courts of Renaissance Europe?
>Gemma Chan Talks Color-Blind Role in 'Mary Queen of Scots': "Art Should Reflect Life Now"
>The 'Crazy Rich Asians' star played Bess of Hardwick, a historically Caucasian adviser to Queen Elizabeth I, in Josie Rourke's adaptation of the relationship between the English queen and Mary Stewart.
>Gemma Chan opens up about her color-blind casting as Bess of Hardwick in last year's Mary Queen of Scots in a new Allure cover story, saying that she believes "art should reflect life now."
>Nobility wasn't this diverse: The filmmakers hired a diverse cast: Elizabeth's ambassador to Scotland is played by Adrian Lester (TV's "Hustle") and Bess of Hardwick, a famous English noblewoman of the era, is played by Anglo-Chinese actress Gemma Chan ("Crazy Rich Asians"). But it's safe to say there were few Africans or Asians in 16th-century England, let alone in the nobility.
>colour blind making everyone into niggers isn't impartial
Daniel Stewart
Portugal started the international slave trade and enslaved Chinese men were owned by Portuguese noble women and Queens. The first Chinese in Europe were slaves and nobles like the Queen of Portugal owned Chinese slaves.
>In sixteenth century southern Portugal there were Chinese slaves but the number of them was described as "negligible", being outnumbered by East Indian, Mourisco, and African slaves.[41] Amerindians, Chinese, Malays, and Indians were slaves in Portugal but in far fewer number than Turks, Berbers, and Arabs.[42] China and Malacca were origins of slaves delivered to Portugal by Portuguese viceroys.[43] A testament from 23 October 1562 recorded a Chinese man named António who was enslaved and owned by a Portuguese woman, Dona Maria de Vilhena, a wealthy noblewoman in Évora. >D. Maria owned one of the only two Chinese slaves in Évora and she specifically selected and used him from among the slaves she owned to drive her mules for her because he was Chinese since rigorous and demanding tasks were assigned to Mourisco, Chinese, and Indian slaves.[59] D. Maria's owning a Chinese, 3 Indians, and 3 Mouriscos among her fifteen slaves reflected on her high social status, since Chinese, Mouriscos, and Indians were among the ethnicities of prized slaves and were very expensive compared to blacks, so high class individuals owned these ethnicities and it was because her former husband Simão was involved in the slave trade in the east that she owned slaves of many different ethnicities. >The Portuguese "highly regarded" Asian slaves like Chinese and Japanese, much more "than slaves from sub-Saharan Africa" and Moorish Muslims.[84][85] The Portuguese attributed qualities like intelligence and industriousness to Chinese and Japanese slaves which is why they favored them more.[86] Traits such as high inttelligence were ascribed to Indians, Chinese, and Japanese slaves. wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Portugal
Blacks can't bear the reality that they have never achieved anything of significance so they have to forcefully insert themselves into other people's histories and cultures while gatekeeping banal crap like hairstyles and seasoning. A truly pathetic race. #BlackFragility
Adam Fisher
>Another noteworthy case is the Chinese António, who had served Catherine of Austria, Queen of Portugal (1507–1578), sister of Emperor Charles V (1500– 1558), since 1535. In the list of 138 slaves belonging to her we find reference to António and seven slaves from India.89 Unfortunately, we do not know how he arrived in Portugal after being enslaved, nor how he ended up at the Portuguese Court. It is, however, likely that he was a gift to the Queen from a nobleman overseas.
> Coincidentally, another Chinese slave, also named António, would live a large part of his life in Portugal, in Évora, serving the noblewoman Maria de Vilhena, as a coachman. Due to the good service rendered, provisions were made in Vilhena's will that he be released upon her death.91
>89 Jorge Fonseca, Escravos e Senhores na Lisboa Quinhentista (Lisbon: Edições Colibri, 2010), pp. 220–23. Isabel Maria Ribeiro Mendes, “O Dever e o Haver da casa da rainha D. Catarina (1525–1557),” Arquivos do Centro Cultural Português 28 (1990): 137–211.
>91 Jorge da Fonseca, Os escravos em Évora no século XVI (Evora: Câmara Municipal de Evora, 1997), p. 21; Alberto da Costa e Silva, A manilha e o libambo: A África e a escravidão, de 1500 a 1700 (Rio de Janeiro: Editora Nova Fronteira, 2011); Thomas, The Slave Trade, pp. 119–20.
>Amerindians, Chinese, Malays, and Indians were slaves in Portugal but in far fewer number than Turks, Berbers, and Arabs.[15] China and Malacca were origins of slaves delivered to Portugal by Portuguese viceroys.[16] A testament from 23 October 1562 recorded a Chinese man named António who was enslaved and owned by a Portuguese woman, Dona Maria de Vilhena, a wealthy noblewoman in Évora.[17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30] In Evora, António was among the three most common male names given to male slaves.[31] D. Maria owned one of the only two Chinese slaves in Evora and she used him from among the slaves she owned to drive her mules for her because he was Chinese since rigorous and demanding tasks were assigned to Mourisco, Chinese, and Indian slaves.[32] D. Maria's owning a Chinese among her fifteen slaves reflected on her high social status, since Chinese, Mouriscos, and Indians were among the ethnicities of prized slaves and were much more expensive compared to blacks, so high class individuals owned these ethnicities and it was because her husband Simão was involved in the slave trade in the east that she owned slaves of many different ethnicities.[33] When she died, D. Maria freed this Chinese man in her testament along with several other slaves, leaving him with 10,000 réis in money.[34] D. Maria de Vilhena was the daughter of the nobleman and explorer Sancho de Tovar, the capitão of Sofala (List of colonial governors of Mozambique), and she was married twice, the first marriage to the explorer Cristóvão de Mendonça, and her second marriage was to Simão da Silveira, capitão of Diu (Lista de governadores, capitães e castelões de Diu).[35][36][37] D. Maria was left a widow by Simão,[38] and she was a major slave owner, possessing the most slaves in Évora, with her testament recording fifteen slaves.[39]
Portugal was the first European nation to enslave non-whites on an international scale. The slaves were converted to Catholicism and given new names.
Catherine of Austria, Queen of Portugal (pictured) (14 January 1507 – 12 February 1578) in Lisbon in 1535 and another Portuguese noblewoman, Dona Maria de Vilhena of Évora (d. 23 October 1562) both owned Chinese men named António.
Short biography In the list of the 138 slaves belonging to Queen Catherine of Portugal, sister of Emperor Charles V, we find a Chinese slave named António and seven slaves from India. António belonged to the Queen from 1535.
Short biography António belonged to a noblewoman named Maria de Vilhena and was freed in her will. In the document, this noblewoman mentions a total of 15 slaves.
Not Dab Forums but I'd prefer the just keep it accurate to how it was at the time. Not only is it jarring to see, it means that Hollywood has another excuse not to explore actual Asian or African cultures. The fact that the biggest "African culture" movie we got was Black panther, a movie about a fictional setting that had a mismash of wildly different African cultures thrown together with no rhyme or reason, it's telling.
Elijah Jones
The problem isn't with blacks in. The problem is with other characters acting like nothing. If you put nig into your movie then make sure the rest acts accordingly. Sword fantasy movie - if nig is in, make plebians to be visibly afraid, some beliving that it's a demon or satan himself. Black in victorian or renaissance settings? Make sure upper class sees him as not worth speaking to unless he's some african king or tribe leader from colonies.
That's all it takes to have blacks in such setting without it being laughable. Not hard.
Julian Thomas
>"Art Should Reflect Life Now"
But the black character must stay black no matter what.
Christopher Stewart
>Bess of Hardwick, a historically Caucasian adviser to Queen Elizabeth I >historically caucasian
you mean actually caucasian, right? like she was a person who lived and was caucasian, not some thoughtform that once bore white skin but no longer?
the more i think about the language these people use the more stressed out i get
Ethan Rogers
Catherine of Austria, the Habsburg Queen of Portugal (14 January 1507 – 12 February 1578) in Lisbon in 1535 owned a Chinese man named António among her slaves.
Obviously it's not a historical drama but Brandy's Cinderella didn't give a fuck about colour. Whoopi Goldberg and Victor Garber have a Filipino son who is expected to carry on the family bloodline lmao If you can't suspend your disbelief for forty minutes maybe you shouldn't be watching television
The Chinese man António enslaved and owned by Catherine of Austria, the Habsburg Queen of Portugal (14 January 1507 – 12 February 1578) in Lisbon in 1535.
Name António
Gender M
Country Chinese
Birth
Death
Year, Residence, 1535 Lisbon, Portugal
Commercial route Malacca-Goa-Lisbon
Owner Queen Catherine of Portugal
Marital status
Status Slave
Profession Domestic servant
Short biography In the list of the 138 slaves belonging to Queen Catherine of Portugal, sister of Emperor Charles V, we find a Chinese slave named António and seven slaves from India. António belonged to the Queen from 1535.
The Chinese man António enslaved and owned by Portuguese noblewoman, Dona Maria de Vilhena of Évora (d. 23 October 1562.
Name António
Gender M
Country Chinese
Birth
Death
Year, Residence, 1562 Évora, Portugal
Commercial route Macao-Malacca-Goa-Lisbon-Évora
Owner Maria de Vilhena
Marital status
Status Freed Slave
Profession Domestic servant
Short biography António belonged to a noblewoman named Maria de Vilhena and was freed in her will. In the document, this noblewoman mentions a total of 15 slaves.
This. There are so many non-western mythology and stories to explore, stop blackwashing.
Ethan Scott
I’m a grad student in medieval lit and you have no idea how far people in academics will go to try and justify this sort of thing. It basically all amounts to “well, there MAY have been blacks in medieval Scotland, so therefore it’s okay.” If you mention the fact of historical figures known to be white, they’ll just get on with some bullshit about the acting being more important than the colour of the actors skin. There is some truth to that, such as Denzel and Keanu playing brothers in Much Ado About Nothing, but it isn’t like Shakespearean plays were ever concerned about casting issues when they used to have men playing female roles. It really only annoys me because it’s always a matter of giving an inch and expecting a mile; they complain about whitewashing black roles, so Hollywood goes out of their way to combat that, then next thing you know they expect to get half the white roles too.
Brandon Hughes
>Brazil imported some of Lisbon's Chinese slaves.[81] Fillippo Sassetti saw some Chinese and Japanese slaves in Lisbon among the large slave community in 1578, although most of the slaves were blacks.[82] Brazil and Portugal were both recipients of Chinese slaves bought by Portuguese.[83] Portugal exported to Brazil some Chinese slaves. Military, religious, and civil service secretarial work and other lenient and light jobs were given to Chinese slaves while hard labor was given to Africans. Only African slaves in 1578 Lisbon outnumbered the large numbers of Japanese and Chinese slaves in the same city.[84] Some of the Chinese slaves were sold in Brazil, a Portuguese colony.[85][86] Cooking was the main profession of Chinese slaves around 1580 in Lisbon, according to Fillippo Sassetti from Florence and the Portuguese viewed them as diligent, smart, and "loyal".[87][88][89]
absolutely against unless youre making movies based on nigger myths, in that case the actors should be white
Oliver Jenkins
>Brazil imported some of Lisbon's Chinese slaves.[81] Fillippo Sassetti saw some Chinese and Japanese slaves in Lisbon among the large slave community in 1578, although most of the slaves were blacks.[82] Brazil and Portugal were both recipients of Chinese slaves bought by Portuguese.[83] Portugal exported to Brazil some Chinese slaves. Military, religious, and civil service secretarial work and other lenient and light jobs were given to Chinese slaves while hard labor was given to Africans. Only African slaves in 1578 Lisbon outnumbered the large numbers of Japanese and Chinese slaves in the same city.[84] Some of the Chinese slaves were sold in Brazil, a Portuguese colony.[85][86] Cooking was the main profession of Chinese slaves around 1580 in Lisbon, according to Fillippo Sassetti from Florence and the Portuguese viewed them as diligent, smart, and "loyal".[87][88][89]
I'm in favor of it only insofar that it pisses off people I hate.
If I ever get my own dream of doing a epic length Three Kingdoms historical Drama I would only cast Chinese people though.
Aiden Diaz
Didn't bother me at all in a production like Hamilton, which wasn't meant to be a 100% accurate re-telling, but period pieces with black people in victorian clothing really irk me for some reason.
David Rivera
It's an attack on white history and culture and they will use any justification they can to avoid acknowledging the racism of it.
Thomas Cruz
>In sixteenth century southern Portugal there were Chinese slaves but the number of them was described as "negligible", being outnumbered by East Indian, Mourisco, and African slaves.[48] Amerindians, Chinese, Malays, and Indians were slaves in Portugal but in far fewer number than Turks, Berbers, and Arabs.[49] China and Malacca were origins of slaves delivered to Portugal by Portuguese viceroys.[50] A testament from 23 October 1562 recorded a Chinese man named António who was enslaved and owned by a Portuguese woman, Dona Maria de Vilhena, a wealthy noblewoman in Évora.[51][52][53][54][55][56][57][58][59][60][61][62][63][64] António was among the three most common male names given to male slaves in Évora.[65] D. Maria owned one of the only two Chinese slaves in Évora and she specifically selected and used him from among the slaves she owned to drive her mules for her because he was Chinese since rigorous and demanding tasks were assigned to Mourisco, Chinese, and Indian slaves.[66] D. Maria's owning a Chinese, 3 Indians, and 3 Mouriscos among her fifteen slaves reflected on her high social status, since Chinese, Mouriscos, and Indians were among the ethnicities of prized slaves and were very expensive compared to blacks, so high class individuals owned these ethnicities and it was because her former husband Simão was involved in the slave trade in the east that she owned slaves of many different ethnicities.[67] When she died, D. Maria freed twelve of her slaves including this Chinese man in her testament, leaving them with sums from 20,000 to 10,000 réis in money.[68][69] D. Maria de Vilhena was the daughter of the nobleman and explorer Sancho de Tovar, the capitão of Sofala (List of colonial governors of Mozambique), and she was married twice, the first marriage to the explorer Cristóvão de Mendonça, and her second marriage was to Simão da Silveira, capitão of Diu (Lista de governadores, capitães e castelões de Diu).[70][71][72]
>Attack on white history and culture. Oh boy! Look how much I care:
Easton Peterson
you will never be a woman
Jace Diaz
>D. Maria was left a widow by Simão,[73] and she was a major slave owner, possessing the most slaves in Évora, with her testament recording fifteen slaves.[74] wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Portugal
>Évora also held a large part of the slave population of Portugal. Nicolas Clenard, a Flemish tutor at the Portuguese court, exclaimed in 1535 that "In Évora, it was as if I had been carried off to a city in hell: everywhere I only meet blacks."
>“ Os escravos pululam por toda a parte. Todo o serviço é feito por negros e mouros cativos. Portugal está a abarrotar com essa raça de gente. Estou em crer que em Lisboa os escravos e as escravas são mais que os portugueses livres de condição. Dificilmente se encontrará uma casa onde não haja, pelo menos, uma escrava destas. Os mais ricos têm escravos de ambos os sexos, e há indivíduos que fazem bons lucros com a venda dos filhos dos escravos, nascidos em casa. >Mais adiante, comparando as facilidades domésticas encontradas em Salamanca, continua Clenardo: mal pus pé em Évora, julguei-me transportado a uma cidade do inferno: por toda a parte topava negros, raça por que tenho uma tal aversão que só eles por si bastariam para me fazer abalar daqui”. >Nicolau Clenardo, século XVI
>"Fugiu a João Cosme Dantas, morador à Cruz dos Quatro Caminhos, um escravo por nome João Rodrigues, rapaz que terá de idade 15 anos, que veio na nau da Índia e dizia que era de Macau. Foi comprado em Moçambique. Tem Uma ferida pequena sobre a sobrancelha esquerda, levou uma véstia de pano e um calção de tripe azul. É espigadote e magro, bem feito e de olhos grandes. Foi descalço. Hebdomadário Lisbonense, n.º4, 26 de Julho de 1766."
>None of the mainland Portuguese population has E3a and N3, but 1.2% of the Azores population has the sub-Saharan African Y Chromosome E3a Haplogroup while 0.6% of the Azores population has the Asian Y Chromosome N3 Haplogroup.[81] During the 16th and 17th centuries, the Asia-America-Europe trade may have brought the N3 Y chromosome to the Azores and the people of the Azores island of Terceira have a large amount of HLA genes of Mongoloid origin. The region of China-Mongolia is the origin of the N3 Haplogroup while Iberians lack it while only northern Europeans and Asians have it. Black slave men brought the E3a Y Chromosome to the Azores, since both Iberia and the rest of Europe lack the specific Azorean E3a lineage with the sY8a mutation.[81][82]
>While mainland Europeans lack it, Azoreans and Asians share the subtype B*2707 and Europeans ranked farther and Asians rank nearer genetically to Azoreans, or were related in the same measure as Europeans were to Azoreans.[83] Azoreans have a large amount of A2-B50-DR7-DQ2, A29-B21-DR7-DQ2, A24-B44-DR6-DQ1 HLA haplotypes of Oriental Mongoloid origin.[83] Presence of Mongoloids on the islands an unknown point in history was suggested.[84]
>A multi generational inherited Y chromosomes of Asian or sub-Saharan origins may be held by European looking people as it does not show physical looks, but the origin of the patrilineage.[85]
Cooper Moore
I don't think they cast many asians so far it's only nignogs being shoehorned into everything
Nathan Miller
>caucasian I don't like this word. A camel jockey shouldn't play a European.
Levi Jackson
You still get the point though.
Jeremiah Kelly
>The problem is with other characters acting like nothing If there were niggers throughout history, there would be written accounts of them and the sensation they caused. Septimus Severus lost his shit because he saw a nigger at Hadrian's Wall, and Yasuke caused riots in Japan because people wanted to get a look at him.
William Sanders
based portugalchad
Charles Rodriguez
It's also a fact that 99% of whites don't give a fuck either. They would happily destroy their own history if it means getting a BigMac cheaper.
Ryan Roberts
Queen Catherine was played by Guiomar Puerta in the Spanish historical drama Carlos, rey emperador.
