To me the most demoralizing thing is quite frankly how dumb and disorganized the “alt right” is. I have tried many times but I want to start a movement founded on some central ideas. And i want to clarify i would not call myself a nazi or white supremacist. Both are lefty slander terms and slurs for “bad” white people.
The first idea is combatting the obvious anti white rhetoric of the left. This is great as a majority of trump supporters fear anti white discrimination. Anti white ideas and myths include… > diversity > mass immigration > white privilege > oppression narratives. I could explain in detail but nobody will read a wall of text. Another interesting thing to note is that liberals have a strong out group preference.
Another idea is mainly fighting globalism and the globalist system we call free market capitalism that led to this.
I will call this pro white general and in this thread i want a name and symbol to represent a new group separate from the white trash kkk and nazi movements and symbols. I wish i could explain more but again walls of text. I am willing to discuss and i hope we reach victory
and no i'm not Ryan Faulk, i see Ryan as logical and somebody who explained this much better and has shown a great pathway to victory.
Where is that dumb bastard? He going to come out that he's now reinvented himself again as a nigger loving tranny? Because his hiatus as far as I know of certainly has given him time to evolve that far. Or let me put it more more nicely, that was mean... where is That dumb bastard? He's been gone forever.
James Lee
Your movement would get "occupied."
Benjamin Morales
Nothing can really be done beyond the local level. Organize with people you know and trust and prepare for collapse. There is no movement get fit get prepared have a position I. Your community that is important and makes others rely on you. Find a girl and start pumping out kids. Shit is going to have to completely collapse before we have a real chance at setting up anything beyond the local level.
>I could explain in detail but nobody will read a wall of text >posts a wall of text
Are you just getting into Ryan Faulk? Tell me, what exactly do you think a "movement" of this sort would accomplish? As far as I can tell, movements are designed to do 3 major things: amass people together for political rallies, form political parties, and create networks. I'm all for creating networks, but it's my belief that political rallies and political parties are non-viable for whites at the current stage. Rallies lead to shit like Charlottesville and the Capitol riot, which unifies the left and gives them ammo against us with no real benefit gained for whites, and political parties create a registry for whites which can be used as a domestic terrorist database, allowing the establishment to use the Patriot Act and related tools to push our shit in.
Networking should be done privately, but that requires access to pricate venues both on and offline, which requires significant capital. It would he far more useful for you to dedicate yourself to becoming wealthy than to form another dead horse political movement like it's still 1933. Times have changed and so must we.
Aaron Johnson
>To me the most demoralizing thing is quite frankly how dumb and disorganized the “alt right” is. Gee, I wonder if the state and capitalist industry working together to repress any true dissident movement has anything to do with it....
Asher Brooks
>will call this pro white general and in this thread i want a name and symbol to represent a new group Color does not communicate collective identity Color cannot be symbolized You cannot be a color You will never be a real color
>alt right Burger please. What do you expect on platform where they hate you. Of course it is cucked.
Nathaniel Rogers
Yeah, so secret societies have to form the core of the "movement", but to form those you need wealth. Simple as. Go get rich, then get started on making things happen, otherwise you'll be doing everything out of order and the dominos will fall over like a house of cards. Checkmate.
You can't escape philosophy, your world view is based on principles and values we would call "philosophical". If you disagree, it's because you haven't seriously bothered with philosophy. Saying your beliefs need to be grounded in science and nature is a philosophical position. Challenge your philosophical outlook, unlike Ryan Faulk who believes he is somehow above philosophy.
Isaiah Fisher
>you have no grounding in science or nature you are projecting onto me what you desire to be. Your desire is all you have left after encountering the real
Mason Sullivan
i didn't ignore what you said. if you have enormous political opposition on both sides then separation should be attainable. A massing on the internet should be a great start. rallies maybe but if possible then rallies should be held away from population centers and within control like deep in Montana or Texas.
Nathan Sanders
the Alt-right is just a meme pushed by leftists to give a common name to their opposition that aren't the kosher republicans and taken on by internet based contrarians because they're retarded attention seekers that do it to see leftists on twitter seethe and nothing else.
Lucas Baker
Congrats, you invented amren
Nicholas Cruz
You don't need a leader. Look at the cell system's of successful insurgencies. Leaders just become targets. Giant groups become easy to infiltrate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaderless_resistance
You going to hold those rallies out in the woods? How will you get good people to go there without also letting your enemies know where you will be going? It's as if your primary focus should be creating a private infrastructure instead of larping on a Burmese catfishing blog.
Dylan Perez
The past 2 years have proven that caring about optics is a weakness. If you get yourself twisted in knots trying to evade the inevitable accusations of being a WN (implying there is even a real definition), you will lose. Just ask the Proud Boys. Take the NJP pill.
Julian Allen
Jews and niggers will never individualize so whites shouldn't either. Begone with your pseud Spirt Science woowoo.
a big groups that welcomes large amounts of randos will get infil'd quickly
stay at the local level as this user said. build relationships with men you'd die for and vice versa.
Oliver Jackson
Fuck off bot
Leo Torres
yeah sure but i don't know what to call you guys
Jayden Evans
either you're retarded or a shill. there is a very large number of right-wingers that are anti-capitalism and don't cuck for Israel. They aren't in the gov't yet, but they will be.
Nicholas Torres
That'll be great. We can all get filthy rich and hopefully someday we'll amass enough cash to allow our posterity to encase themselves in concrete and electrified barbed wire like in South Africa. What works is what we're doing now. Free speech and the ability to undo years of brainwashing with data and facts. The biggest threat to our future is the current online censorship. If we don't watch it, we'll fall into a stupor like in the '90s. Except this time we'll be fading into a plurality white country. We need new innovation that ensures free speech. Something like blockchain tech with ubiquitous and cryptographically secure communications.
Josiah Cooper
this. have high standards on who could join. have lots of rules and restrictions and be observant
Grayson Powell
Succession is not obtainable. Anyone with our ideas are too widely spread out to even narrow down a particular location. Our enemies hate us and want us dead they do not want to peacefully separate. People who think like us have been using the internet for decades to push our messages this is not some radical new idea. Major tech corporations have deplatformed almost every dissident. The only people who can find these ideas are people who already know about them. Rallies are a meat grinder that destroys our people’s life’s all for the ego rush and upcummies of who ever organizes them. Now I am not saying things are hopeless and yes anything should be done outside of city centers but me like so many others in this thing have recognized that only local action can be effective. We are not going to have a political solution and no leader is going to rise up and save us. We need to be our own leaders and gather as many people in our local lives to be ready for when the system inevitably collapses as it is not sustainable. What more is there to do beyond any of that? I have been around for a decade in this thing and this is the truth call it blackpilled or whatever I do not really care.
William Robinson
this is a strawman. here I show you how to collectivize through effective communication and organization principals all of which are proven and well known. take the lack of reasoning from OP's criticism as proof of credibility. ask me for sources if you want to learn
Didn't Ryan himself suggest using three arrows directed upward as a viable symbol?
Justin Kelly
How different would this be from Nick Fuentes’ America First movement? > diversity > mass immigration > white privilege > oppression narratives. >Another idea is mainly fighting globalism and the globalist system we call free market capitalism that led to this. He already talks about all of this.
Adrian Sanchez
No it fucking isn't, you're just a dumb faggot. Jews openly name whites as their enemy and advocate for their death and somehow, magically, it works for them. But you say whites can't do this because reasons. Fuck off and die.
Brayden Richardson
Stop thinking about ideas and start thinking about position. Your ideas don't matter because we aren't in a position where we can implement them, we need to focus on getting ourselves into a stronger position and nothing else. War is about putting yourself into a stronger position than before until you win.
Jason Howard
This thread will slide as soon as I post, but here goes: Truly smart whites are not the whites that would be a part of an "alt-right" group because... well it should be obvious. Shits indicative of a short life. Truly smart people, not just whites, know and trust historians that have read the histories of man. One does not control through direct action. Some king in France wanted to introduce potatoes to his people. They didnt know how to eat the potatoes, and since the king was giving them away for free, they were turned away from it.
>How did he solve it? He hired guards on to guard the potatoes, and ordered them to take every bribe, no matter how small, and to be lax in their patrols. Soon enough, people were stealing all the potatoes and liked them so much they started it growing themselves.
You rule through deception. People complain that its manipulative or what have you, but if people werent so bum fucking retarded and did shit against their own best interest ALL THE TIME, leaders wouldnt have to be sneaky about their true intentions.
Hint: It's to protect and nurture their citizens. For most of them, at least.
Logan Nelson
user don't make me lose hope.
Lincoln Wright
Its very ironic. He calls the right disorganized while setting up a redundant copy cat movement
more is always better right? nick has cucked too hard and makes the wrong arguments
Jaxson Davis
>What works is what we're doing now. Hahaha is that why we're losing everything? Gee, I thought when something "works" that means it doesn't end up with comrades in prison, fired from their jobs, or blacklisted from every major service because they all went to retard rallies. I thought effectiveness was the opposite of your racing being killed by outbreeding and low birth rates. No, what works is actually what the Jews are doing and have been doing for centuries.
Sorry you don't think you're smart enough to start a business during the age of tye internet, but dumber people than you have tried and succeeded. Maybe have a little bit of balls, idk.
Carson Cooper
>Jews openly name whites as their enemy and advocate for their death and somehow, magically, it works for them. and this is whyadopting color identity is consent to their accusations by reciprocating the request to identify yourself by this standard. If you cannot be a color there is no possible way for you to benefit from color identity. You accept all of the criticism without any of the benefit of existing in the symbolic reality
My words should not make you lose hope but inspire you to act on the appropriate level. We will win but the process to get there is going to be a long one. If you really want to create a movement then do it on your backyard first. Become a local leader. If I am wrong well then at least you have set up a proper bedrock and a good enough foundation. If everyone who thinks like us does this then when shit hits the fan it will be smooth sailing
Angel Morris
lol dumb, no collapse is coming anytime soon in all likelihood and you don't need rallies or social media or any of that gay shit. We can just create our own social network and use it to actually coordinate, there is strength in coordinated group action. An uncoordinated mob trying to fight the most powerful army in the world is obviously going to not turn out well, that's no reason to develop a sense of learned helplessness.
Chase Nelson
Most of the non-convention left are as disorganized if not more. You have a huge amount of retards who run congruent with each other on both political sides.
Matthew Scott
The problem with Ryan is his galaxy-level autism. So much autism you cannot contain it on planet earth, so he invents entire new universes. The problem with the right is the lack of organization. Antifa for example has literal professional executives from top venture capital firms running their boards of directors, integrated with top charities and donor networks. That's a professionally run movement (literally). Whereas the dissident right is all over the fucking place. Everyone's attacking each other all the time, it's infested by retards. There is no coherency to any of the messaging.
Ryan for example could be doing so much good work if he was doing things differently. Use your status to recruit people who will do research for you. You can be generating 100x the amount of production. Instead of 3 videos every year, you could have a new video every week. Imagine hundreds of people teaming up to read through source material, how many books and historical documents could you work through in such a short time? It would be like a revolution in knowledge.
Ryan Walker
Hitler didn't have to do any of this shit. He was openly in power and walked the streets without a care in the world. All this shit you're suggesting is a cope for having to live in a ZOG run free economic zone. When whites separate from the shit races, we won't have to rule like Jews because our rulers won't want us dead.
Adrian Stewart
LMAO. THAT is why the right is so disorganized. People want to throw each other to the wolves based on the slightest disagreement. Now you will set up a movement that will just end up attacking other right wing figures as it battles for legitimacy
Austin White
This, basically. So tired of seeing you naive kids throw your lives away in the meat grinder because you were raised to be honest and care about honor. You know where you can find honor? In victory. You don't get victory by playing right into your enemies' hands by putting a big label on yourself and grouping togethet out in the open just to shout into a megaphone and encourage more people to go to jail.
Kayden Mitchell
Fuck off you semantically obsessed pseud. The same shit would be happening if we called ourselves "people of European descent" instead of "white". You're literally saying whites deserve what's happening to them. You're a fucking shill.
Lucas Stewart
this is what i'm talking about. make a website of stats fags and release info. this is a great method don't forget debate.
Adam Martinez
Where did I advocate for retard rallies? Also, I own two businesses. I'm making the point that "making money" isn't a good strategy. Converting whites is. The only way we can do that in the current environment is through anonymous free speech mediums. Many together good, many alone bad.
Robert Rivera
there is no 'alt right' you stupid faggot. there never was; it's just a leftist conspiracy theory
Evan Gomez
maybe another idea is not to be so divisive with other right wingers, the only ones i hate are Richard spencer desu and the others like nick Fuentes could get better
Dominic Clark
If you own 2 businesses that are successful, that means you are a gatekeeper to wealth for anyone you come into contact with. That gives you EXTREME leverage to lead a locally-organized, private group to act as a think tank. It gives you the ability to hire a dissident or 2 or 3 to work on a private and secure networking platform for whites only. Do it, faggot. Be Promethean.
Yeah there's no way Ryan could trust other people to generate content he would approve of. I remember he once published a video that basically said: "whelp that's the end of the research Sean and I have been doing for years so I'll mostly be posting recaps from now on." Like every video and position must have a mountain of evidence to support it before he'll make new shit.
Aiden Martinez
Maybe I will
Luis Gomez
Like me for example, I'm reading through some source material right now, and I've developed an efficient system of notetaking that turns a 100 page book into 5 pages of bullet points + summary. Filled with references to the source material, so if you find something interesting, you can just go to the reference and get the full quote. Or if someone challenges you to provide a source, you can do that.
As I read through a document, I am taking notes on the side. Afterwards I review the notes, clean them up, and put them in the summary. Once I've processed a document, it becomes infinitely more accessible, basically it becomes part of our collective knowledge.
But imagine if there was 10 or 20 people doing that. Just devoting 1 hour per day to this reading. And the thing with Ryan is that he appeals to these big-brained people, the exact people who would be adept at this sort of thing. So why not tap into that talent pool?
I've been trying to contact ryan for over a year now, but the fucker has walled himself off from all communications. It's literally impossible to get a chat with the guy
Juan Reyes
I do n out think collapse is coming quickly we will probably see another 50 to 100 years of this bullshit. I agree people should coordinate but do it on the local level with people you trust. I just do not want to see more young men throw their life’s away thinking we will have power anytime soon. Every sacrifice that is made is precious.
Anthony Ortiz
>Converting whites is. No, not really. You can't really control how many people are naturally attracted to you. It's better to get the people you already have to actually do stuff, have clear goals to make yourselves stronger and have networks that can reward people for joining you. Anybody who is against the left will eventually choose to either take it or leave it.
Chase Edwards
>and no i'm not Ryan Faulk
>I could explain in detail but nobody will read a wall of text.
I dunno, that sounds like just the sort of thing Ryan would say...
Landon Jenkins
Glownigger. Decentralization is our strength. It shields us.
Brody Hall
The right first needs to overcome its own liberalism. As long as people are trapped in liberal thinking patterns nothing good can arise.
Jordan Ward
The main problem is that the right is too heterogenous, you will never find common ground.
You now realize Hitler's genius was that he was able to create a working society by uniting all these types.
Ayden Howard
>others like nick Fuentes could get better Better on what? You are currently a nobody with zero clout that is going to come into right wing circles criticizing popular figures. You want to start a movement? Go make some social media and spread ideas while keeping out of other right wing figures way. That is how leftists do it. If there is a some disagreement they handle it behind the scenes. You are coming out with a movement that is basically america first without nick fuentes and expecting to not somehow come into conflict with that faction. This will somehow help organize the right
James Ortiz
>The same shit would be happening if we called ourselves "people of European descent" instead of "white" The same shit would NOT be happening if your accusers had to name YOU "people of European decent". Even better for you if they had to identify you by your nationality. BUT THEY DON'T! WHY IS THAT!
They have to name you the color. They can't NOT name you the color and do the things they do and say the things they say. And you consent to their lies by adopting their definition
Why doesn't this work? Why doesn't everyone just know to do the color? Perhaps trying to appropriate an identity only invented to implement Affirmative Action policy is not one that will organize a people as a nation? An identity that pre-determines what people are, that does not include in that process people giving it that meaning, is not an identity people can use to determine a nation. Because color cannot do this.
It doesn't matter that you get it. >oh the color, thats my identity The problem is the many people who do not. So now you know why people do not want to call themselves the color. It is not irrational. You just sound retarded. They perceive this as cringe even if they do not understand exactly why. They may have been manipulated to perceive this in a way you have no ability to change because you adopt it as a name. To many people "whiteness" represents weakness. 60 years has been spent to project meaning onto it and you have no ability to invoke empathy in those who it represents because color is not identity. They just accept that this is what their identity means because you consent to it
Color Identity can never do what you claim COLOR IDENTITY CAN ONLY DO WHAT OTHERS CLAIM
>I just do not want to see more young men throw their life’s away thinking we will have power anytime soon. Every sacrifice that is made is precious. Nobody is throwing their lives away, what difference does make it whether you get fired from your job today for being a "white supreme" or five years from now for not giving in to whatever insane bullshit they'll be peddling by that time? Trying to stay dependent on the system is simply a dead end. And in the age of the internet you can form a nationwide group, there is no benefit to staying small.
Cameron Mitchell
>Antifa for example has literal professional executives from top venture capital firms running their boards of directors, integrated with top charities and donor networks. That's a professionally run movement (literally). Whereas the dissident right is all over the fucking place. Everyone's attacking each other all the time, it's infested by retards. There is no coherency to any of the messaging. This is also a weakness though. Over here, the political left has become complacent. People don't want to change the system but they want a place within the system.
Actual Marxist leftists bemoan the passiveness and lack of willingness to engage in actual revolutionary work. Capital has co-opted leftism.
>implying "white" isn't commonly accepted shorthand for "people of European descent" Retard pseud faggot detected.
Blake Thomas
This post reads like you don't believe in marketing. I think there's clear evidence that you can put some investment into marketing and it will improve your numbers. Free speech is like free marketing. Look at where we were pre internet and where we are now.
Jace Robinson
Unironic aut right deserves it for sticking with a boogeyman label created by the democrats.
Michael Morgan
>Capital has co-opted leftism. gommunism has been gommodified
When did I ever advocate to stay dependent on the system? I am not saying that being fired is the worse consequence either. The larger of a net you cast the more likely you will be subverted and destroyed from the inside out. That is what has happened time and time again. Go for it but do not expect me to jump on the nationwide group anytime soon. What would such a group even accomplish?
Brandon Thomas
>Except this time we'll be fading into a plurality white country. There is no stopping the acceleration now. Trump shredded the curtain and even non-conspiratorial ppl are questioning things they had not even heard of a couple of years ago. Now the globalists endgame is clear for all to see, some just don't know where to look. The acceleration will continue until knowledge improves.
James Morales
start local retard no one will care about you whining on the internet start working with churches and local neighborhood groups and shit then grow up
conservatards stopped doing this and its why they are losing
Xavier Wright
Rallies are meant to be a venue for networking and a show of commitment to ideals to the broader population. It's obvious enough that the government is not interested in changing course, but that doesn't mean rallies are pointless.
Elijah Powell
>>implying "white" isn't commonly accepted shorthand for "people of European descent" You make my point for me by making excuses for your ignorance. Notice how when the need arises to identify as people you divert to a name that does this better than color. Although this may be an improvement from total self denial, “European” as identity possesses limitations that can be observed in real time (EU).
I am making you aware of your contradictions. By soliciting yourself as the thing you can never be, you consent to all those associations of what you are not. Beings absent from their meaning when they are not perceived as their existence. You allow your existence to be denied by being the cause of your own confusion and projecting that confusion out to others who are incapable of perceiving yourself better than you. You are now aware of what others perceive of you that is non existence.
The means by which you are capable of expressing that outside of those boundaries is integral to the construction of the boundaries themselves. You don’t get to make up any boundaries if they are in-fact objectively meaningful.
Also, your gay little theory has no answer for why blacks are enjoying so much institutional support despite collectivising on a color.
Ian Cook
No, it doesn't shield you from anything. The government knows who you are and what you think anyway so if they go full totalitarian you're still screwed. And when you're atomized you can't control or do anything. Well obviously a major change from centralized communications to somewhat decentralized communications makes a difference. But what kind of political group you want in power is a much less malleable thing than what products you buy. And there is no way to mass market when leftist corporations control all the social media. >The larger of a net you cast the more likely you will be subverted and destroyed from the inside out. You need like 1 unsubverted person to make an app. People who cause trouble can be screened out before they are accepted in or banned. Feds are irrelevant unless they start doing some totalitarian nightmare stuff. >What would such a group even accomplish? Winning elections, controlling politicians, raising money, creating alternative sources of information, create a redpilled protectionist economy, giving members friends, girlfriends, job opportunities, and everything else you lose for being to the right of mao in the modern world. There are a lot benefits to working together, just look at the jews.
Anthony Cook
Again, your retarded pseud wankery utterly fails to explain the success blacks have had with a color based label for themselves.
Juan Harris
No such thing as the alt right
Blake Gonzalez
If your effective, they'll just kill and replace you with retards to make your ideas unpalatable. That's what they did to OWS.
Samuel Wood
it is mostly a charade, but I can bet we will agree on some reasoning. I have already provided something that addresses this There is also the factor of externalization and external dependency. see next pic
>Again, your retarded pseud wankery utterly fails to explain the success blacks have had with a color based label for themselves. >Also, your gay little theory has no answer for why blacks are enjoying so much institutional support despite collectivising on a color. no Africans in America do not have a strong identity. Any dabble into Afrocentrism from Africans in America is proof enough. They are prime example of what happens to people who become consumed by consumerism. If they were not such a beneficial tool to international finance they would be discarded. Where Africans in America do exhibit a strong sense of collective identity, you will find they never refer to themselves as a color.
the video below is demonstration of my argument. In the entire Album I do not even recall even once self-reference by means of color. It it did slip by me, it was so insignificant we could say color identity to these people is not a factor of their reflexive communication. Bitch niggers are disqualified from this description youtube.com/watch?v=D3Y6Kn7yKvw
Camden Evans
Pro-fully-European-descended then. Now fuck off.
Dominic Nguyen
Ryan is a cool one-trick pony but ultimately he falls short because he has a liberal understanding of the world.
Michael Hughes
>Where Africans in America do exhibit a strong sense of collective identity, you will find they never refer to themselves as a color. Bull fucking shit. What a laughably untrue statement. You have now revealed it is literally your job to just say whatever combination of words you think will discourage whites from collectivising.
Jeremiah Rivera
some of those are not mine and never posted it
Kayden Bennett
Also >Prometheus Rising Anton Wilson is the biggest fucking midwit left-leaning centrist parasite I've ever read. It's like Vaush if Vaush actually read books and wasn't a pedophile, got somehow mixed into a vat with Styx.
Benjamin Lewis
It's all the same laughably stupid pseud garbage.
Mason Russell
>Bull fucking shit. show me where any of them say the color anywhere at anytime
Kevin Diaz
That's not free, and it's not guaranteed to succeed. If OWS had been willing to tell progressive entryists to fuck off and stay focused on their objectives it would have been a problem but they probably wouldn't have collapsed. We're in a tougher spot because they can amplify (or even just not suppress) bullshitters like Q and make them vastly more visible than our actual community, but the solution to that problem is to be louder, not sit in a corner quietly playing into the system's spooky terror cells narrative.
Nicholas Walker
That's one fucking video you fucking retard, is your evidence niggers never call themselves "black" seriously 1 fucking music video? KYS you 0 effort shill.
Jaxon Taylor
there are valid criticisms but his contribution to NLP cannot be discarded entirely. It is also quite an outdated work
>seriously 1 fucking music video? you will only find color identity in externally finance rap music. The rap I posted was all financed and produced from within African communities and that is why it was selected. If you post dumbass Hollywood rap financed by large investors it is disqualifiable and inconclusive
Caleb Carter
i grow so tired of pseudointellectual schizos
Sebastian Campbell
Your entire premise is that whites, who you don't even deny share a common enemy in Jews, need to adopt narrower and more specific identities based on anything but skin color because they will magically become immune to media scorn if they do so. This is subhuman retardation. Please KYS as soon as possible.
No, I seriously recommend reading up on his work entirely. He's well studied, his political views and his way of analysis are just fucktarded. I also find it funny how much he contradicts himself when it comes to political views. It'd be easy for someone to read halfway into Prometheus Rising and just drop it because of how much he preaches shit he clearly doesn't embody whatsoever, but he's a genuinely knowledgeable and studied person too.
Angel Allen
You need something cool. Like brown shirts. Can't do this on just memes and frog posting alone. An organized movement that requires committed through meetings and symbolism. Something that makes a person commit.
John Hernandez
You are right, but i dont see anything happening I dont think its in right wingers behaviour to do stuff like this, but it is in the left wingers psychopathic brain to seek power over others White right wingers are scared They also think anyone asking to do something is a cia trick to get them People are also very comfortable and dont see much reason to do anything
Adam Roberts
Also consider that they keep you from anything happening. Rightwing action is to be highlighted, condemned, and then have every aspect but negative memory-holed quickly for the next thing. Leftwing action gets stretched as long and thin as possible no matter how shallow it was to begin with. Because of this, it's easier to believe nobody is doing anything about it. Earth has 7 billion people on it and according to the information trail based on MSM there aren't any vigilante cults killing pedophiles, assassination organizations plotting out ways to end major politicians, or true geniuses at play. Knowing the history of our civilizations in general, I think it's more likely that we're on the outside of the sheet that has been draped over these points in society.
Bentley Martin
no. wrong. My argument is that WE HAVE NATIONS.
Nations are our means political identity. Nations are our living systems Nations are how we orient ourselves about a political landscape Nations are hope we identify ourselves to ourselves and each other Nations are our primary vehicle for political action
Nations cannot be a color. There has never been and will never be a color nation for the same reason your accusers choose that name
no one believes it to be a color you moron like do you think we think that asians and whites are the same because of our pale skin? the classical races were based of behavior and bone structure not skin
Adrian Richardson
The big problem with this is America is 200 years old and any identifiable meaningful heritage that isn't from America has become extremely muddled. Furthermore, any action based on it would be crippled by the fact that you live in America and not the lands of your original ancestors. You would first have to make American mean the same as a similar-ethnoclass of people for this kind of political tactic to have much motion, otherwise you're just going to have to settle for being a civnat.
Levi Mitchell
lol nick fuentes constantly attacks allies over the smallest shit, he's known for that sort of thing.
John Davis
Prometheus Rising is not a political book like anything Hegel. It really defies categories. He has good insight into human behavior and perception that builds upon previous authors of the similar type. I would consider him more of a pioneer than a historian
Kevin Davis
Remember when Nazi Germany picked a national skin color and that's why they failed? Oh wait. They never did that. They collectivised on a national identity. And the world still demonized them anyway for resisting Jewish power, DESPITE not using a color label. So, once again, your gay little theory fails.
Kayden Peterson
Ryan is a homosexual and made an opera about sonic. You must be retarded.
Hudson Rodriguez
Your first mistake is agreeing to their terms, thus, playing their game. Their game is designed for them to always win. What do you think happens when you play their game?
Adrian Cook
keep up the good work
Michael Ramirez
This. When you deny being a white nationalist, you cede their premise that its evil. No point in denying it. Embrace strength, people despise weakness. Never apologise.
Carter Ramirez
Up until the point where he says shit like >Jews are responsible for the progressive shift in western politics >anti-semites are unreasonable for identifying and attacking them on this, they're just guarding lines This isn't really even paraphrasing, he literally goes from the first point to the second within the same sentence not as any kind of test of wit but as a legitimate point he has advocated for in real life too. In my opinion, insight and practice go hand-in-hand. You cannot have true insight into something without having true practice in it. While he's definitely a pioneer when it comes to some things, I'm critiquing him on the fact that he regularly uses those as a mount for his less than stellar political takes.
I also find it funny how much he shits on the CIA and then dedicated the book to a CIA asset because "dude drugs"
Cooper Hall
>no one believes it to be a color you moron like do you think we think that asians and whites are the same because of our pale skin? The problem I identify is your communication. Communication forms much of how we perceive reality and if we are not communicating properly we are not acting in the real world. Action is the function of meaning and sense making and I have identified why you do not act. I have identified why you fail to inspire others to action. You are not political unless you can construct meaning. I do not get any satisfaction in identifying this separate from the possibility of succeeding where you fail
I get that pedantry is integral to "big-brained" philosophy, but in real life, it doesn't actually accomplish anything unless you are deliberately trying muddy the waters
Jason Reed
"Jew" is an imperfect category, just like "white". Is it a race or is it a religion? Nobody knows. And yet, "Jew" has been a perfectly effective category upon which to collectivise and they find great success in doing so. So, AGAIN, you shitty theory fails.
Lincoln Wilson
Is that you systemsfag? Pat?
Aiden Gomez
>assemble with a glownigger No thanks faggot. In the end of days we will know who we are because we think the same way, we don't need a group full of retarded psyop glowniggers now fuck ff.
Justin Cooper
try decentralizing so we have many leaders and many anons but again that comes with low standards and lack of political action
Justin Brooks
Set up a discord (or ideally 2, one with easier access and another one where you make sure that only people you absolutely trust have access to), produce something of value / share what you have done already, with some luck it'll grow into something. The internet is a lot more hostile to "dissidents" nowadays compared to 10 years ago, so you can't be as public as back then
Dominic King
His sense of humor is what I think made him so popular. His analysis of jews and anti-Semitism is not much more different from Nietzsche and there is good arguments for this even if all the accusations against jews are true. Consider how moral judgments are formed as a process within human social networks
The way in which moral judgment is applied to this dilemma is important to anything that will result in justice. (which is why I say is the reason they identify you by color).
Proof of intent requires separating immoral actors from within the cognitive domain of the collective identity within any system. This requires a viable reflexive identity capable of projecting onto itself a complete circular consensus of what is good, that is also intertwined with its own purpose and future intentions. Identifying with immoral actions existing outside of this cognitive domain of self-recognition is not necessary to the existence and maintenance of Collective Identity. This disproves the misconception that nations are inherently opposed to each other by existing, or that international cooperation cannot exist without financial incentive
By placing all Jews in an "all" category you forfeit moral judgment by demonstrating the lack of ability to perceive choice and provide choices to others who violate that moral principal
Kevin Green
Try not to choke to death on your own farts
Cooper Ross
It is true our ideologies maybe different but we share one goal, this place is leaderless because no one here contains enough charidma&Intellect to organize and driven purely by intstinct which is just whatever get the lolz, Your idea sounds neat but the second you become effective "they" will do everything in their power to slander and destroy your plan.
Xavier Perez
>Both are lefty slander terms and slurs for “bad” white people. Followed by >White trash Fuck you, retard.
Isaac Cox
Your hubris has you putting the cart before the horse. You wish to argue with fools, while not understanding their foolish arguments, to begin with. They believe that nations/borders should not exist. So, if you feel that you must abide by their terms, you must first address what a nation is and why they should exist, not simply point to their existence.
Nathaniel Gonzalez
>To me the most demoralizing thing is quite frankly how dumb and disorganized the “alt right” is Because no one has time for this shit. >I have tried many times but I want to start a movement founded on some central ideas. It will never happen because most of the right is really libertarian leaning, independent, and a lot of people have varying ideas. No one is going to join a single group. The best you'll have is finding common ground that people can get behind on, like Ron Paul. >Another idea is mainly fighting globalism and the globalist system we call free market capitalism that led to this. I'm going to stop you right there. Your idea already sounds fucking dumb and now you've limited yourself already with that one stupid statement. Face fucking reality here, many Americans are fiercely independents and support the free market. And this is why so many groups fail, because they fail to realize this. The left flourishes because they appeal to leftist ideals and women in general with common ideas. The right doesn't because you get angry for some white people not following some dumb idea for National Socialism.
The problem is that the right-wing adopted the left-wing's conception of social capital. The left is obsessed with appealing to their peers and punishing those who step out of line. The right used to make every individual accountable for their own actions and risk management, working together like a loose confederation of similarly-minded individuals. We trusted each other to make the right decisions for ourselves. If you fucked up, that's on you. Depending on the situation, we might help you, or we might cut ties, and everyone would understand that that was simply the nature of playing the game.
Cut to today. Now, everybody on the right is obsessed with either purity-spiraling or optics. Everybody thinks its their compatriots who are our worst enemies. There's no space for dissent, nuances of opinion, or experimentation with strategy, and being right-wing has become more of a performative act of rebellion than an authentic political worldview. Therefore, there is no longer any progress, unity, or clear sense of purpose.
There's also rise of grifting, and since grifters consider ratings to be a zero sum game, they will ruthlessly attack each other and generate controversy to increase their profile, attract a larger audience, and increase their profits. Each pundit's base would rather attack people who agree with them 90%+ than the political establishment who is actively seeking their destruction.
Finally, there's the "fed" moral panic, where everybody is too afraid to do *anything* in real life lest they encounter a "fed". Infiltration has always been a problem in revolutionary circles, but that never stopped the Soviets. It's just another problem to solve, a risk to manage, a mindset I touched upon earlier with right-wing social capital.
We have no literary, artistic, and ideological canon. We have no tactical or strategic playbook. We have no decentralized "templates" to work with in distant harmony. We have no centralized organization or infrastructure to direct our energies. We punch right more than we punch left. And we're obsessed over the performative and the intangible over the material and effective. No wonder we're in trouble. We've created an extensive worldview that justifies staying at home and shitposting all day as the most effective use of our time.
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Brody Ward
Wrong. Decentralisation is a strength in this situation, just look at the left. Majority of leftist policies and brainfreeze isn't being done by a broad, centralised movement, but a hive of organisations that sure are connected with each other via common funding etc. but they're separate enough when you can't just "kill" them all with one scandal or mishap. All of them have very limited programme, they do one small thing at the time, often pretend to be neutral on every other matter.
Remember that the biggest problem isn't the general RW person, but a "centrist" normie. He doesn't have attention span to bother with unveiling connections in that "hive" and it's much easier to convince him issue-by-issue than to a whole platform. And you need to convince him to push the overton window your way. If you hold one controversial opinion at the time you can get things done easier.
Now a lot of this was undone by Biden, but I'd want you to note of the activism of a dude called Chris Rufo. Now at first glance, Rufo is just another IDW grifter(literally libertarian with asian wife), but he did a thing that no wignat managed to do - he managed to get coshervative inc interested in reversing the inanity of critical race theory(which for all practical purposes is basically rabid anti-white cult) and countering the spread of it(it was already widespread by 2000 in for instance curriculum for future teachers etc.) is imo. one of the most important condition if you want whites to gain some sort of racial consciousness back - as everyone else has one. Again, in the end Trump failed and most of Rufo's effort went to the trashbin, but he shows the way you can smuggle our ideals into the broad public.
Evan Baker
>liberals have a strong out group preference This is where you are full of shit. Liberals just have a very strong in-group preference. They have a group covering the entire planet that has the solidarity and cohesion of which Internationale couldn't even dream and best part is Internationale squabbled somewhat even during the revolution and completely fell apart once the revolution won in Russia and existed in a rudimentary marginal state until Stalin disbanded Komintern cause it was getting in the way of the real politik. Liberal International, however, not just survives but it passed the test of power and continues to function even as its ideology is victorious in most of the countries. Russian, American, European and Chinese liberals get together and plot happily building plans that would destroy their respective nations and not because they are anti-white (as if only white countries suffer from liberalism) but because their loyalties to the idea is above the loyalty to their people, if it exists at all. A Chinese nationalist, Islamic traditionalist or any other vindicator of any other collective identity except liberalism would be barred from entering their circle just as well as a "white nationalist", which is in itself quite a chimera, but at least based on something, unlike black nationalism. Looting niggers don't get to sip whiskey with the liberal high bosses, they just get to be used as a battering ram in demolishing the current system. If they were to come up with a constructive project, they'd be put down just as fast.
Ryan Hughes
pro-white is stupid in Europe, but it isn't stupid in the United States. Pro-white means pro European-American, which *is* an ethnic group (as American ethnic groups are determined among racial lines).
Isaac Bailey
>in the end of days we will become ideologue ditto-heads
I'm completely fine with fighting side-by-side with evangelistic christcucks against pedos and ZOG, but I'm not fine with fighting side-by-side with evangelistic christcucks against pedos and ZOG who will in turn betray me because they think I'm literally the devil for not being their sub-brand sub-branch sub-faith of Jew worship.
Thomas King
I agree that decentralization is powerful, but only when the culture promotes the growth of organizational cells who instinctively know how to be effective. The left has (((community organizing))), fund-raising, and antifa. What are comparative right-wing templates? We have an advantage in that our respect for masculinity and self-improvement means that there's a strong incentive for our members to individually work out, read books, and make money... but we're terrified of organizing in real life, forget about thinking about following a set of tactics, strategies, and templates for real life activism. Divided we fall.
Aaron Morgan
>Finally, there's the "fed" moral panic, where everybody is too afraid to do *anything* in real life lest they encounter a "fed". Infiltration has always been a problem in revolutionary circles, but that never stopped the Soviets. It's just another problem to solve, a risk to manage, a mindset I touched upon earlier with right-wing social capital. Most leftists have nothing to lose or a nice trampoline to bounce back up. Most of the right, that means financial ruin and being pushed to homelessness. You have leftists being supported by kike billionaires. The right doesn't have that kind of thing right now.
Jonathan Gomez
>you must first address what a nation is and why they should exist, not simply point to their existence. they exist and must exist. Nations are inherent to the human biological niche.
>They believe that nations/borders should not exist They must lie about what is real picwhat they want is to subordinate nations to the external dependency of international finance picby doing this they disrupt peoples collective identity and reorient it towards financial goals which supersede any one nation and are usually counterproductive to the sovereignty of those people being integrated
Nations are a subordination to unity where consent as such indicates that capability. Nations are a living system. We are communicating the symbol of ourselves that we create in our imaginations so that it may be real. This is done so in such a manner that mimics the way in which the brain constructs identity of itself by interacting with the world through others that reciprocate through repetition
it's what it is, and it's the way they have managed to keep a certain kind of movement out of said system. Pretty effective way i might add.
Nolan Harris
Group accountability is a technique the military uses in initial training to strip one of their individuality, in order to force them into a collective where they are, ultimately, expendable if they don't tow the line. When veterans are cut out of this collective, they go from viewing themselves as an invaluable cog in The Machine to a gear with no purpose, left to collect dust. It is at this point that many consider suicide.
Jaxson Cook
You do not seem to get it. There is no political solution. We are not going to win elections or control politicians. The system casts out any dissidents. You sound like one of these spic Fuentes types that suggests we can just take over the gop. I am not saying we should not cooperate with each other but there is no national political solution. Every part of the system has been designed against us. We can not simply do as the kikes do because it is not allowed. I do not know what rock you have been hiding under but the feds do all sorts of totalitarian shit already. What you are suggesting should have been done 50 years ago. The only viable option now is for the system to be destroyed or to destroy itself. We can not fix a sinking ship.
Lincoln Cooper
color does not communicate this. read thread
Colton Smith
You're either a forum slider shill or you're legit schizo and need to fuck off.
Henry Jenkins
No words inherently communicate anything, you fucking idiot, all words have loosely agreed upon meanings that vary from individual to individual. Do you seriously feel smart for realizing that?
Ryan Torres
PLEASE READ THE >9th amendment
Brayden Parker
>Again, your retarded pseud wankery utterly fails to explain the success blacks have had with a color based label for themselves. You have to be pretty retarded to not realize it yourself - any revolutionary change of a system requires a class which will be the backbone of reform and an alleged beneficiary, in whose favor the changes will be done. Nobody just demolishes a system right out of the blue it's always the oppressed winning freedom, the robbed taking back what's their, a national liberating movement kicking out the occupants, etc. In this case niggers were just picked as an engine of revolution and an oppressed minority for whom everything will be done and not just they are, but they were quite thoroughly made into one by your system, because "everything is rayciss" narrative wasn't delivered to them for years on proclamations printed in catacombs, it was taught at schools and through the media which were controlled by the government and the ruling class.
Nathaniel Myers
this is correct. Recruit training is designed specifically to mimic certain aspects of human society that industrialization has isolated itself from. Warfare use to not be so detached from collective experience within communities. Everyone understood why they were sending their sons to fight when an invading army is approaching your village on foot.
Hunter Wood
>and no i'm not Ryan Faulk, i see Ryan as logical and somebody who explained this much better and has shown a great pathway to victory. amen to that. I would argue Ryan has done more for whites than anyone alive today
Adam Hill
>epistemological antirealism hello Vaush. Why are there more languages than one?
Because evolution is real. What does that have to do with not saying "white"?
Andrew Roberts
>muh graphs facts AND logic peak midwittery, you didn't sit through 150minutes of Ryan Faulk (homosexual) because you care for facts or evidence, you sit through it simply because you already believed those things
Alternative hypothesis (homosexual) AKA Peoples Veto is a boring ass autistic faggot, there is no value in his nonsense. His reach is miniscule.
Noah Moore
My general strategy is to find like minded people(outside of organisations etc.) and start pushing for small things one at the time, because otherwise it's unlikely that we'll achieve anything without basically crashing the system down with no survivors(and there it will be chaos - you don't know what comes out of it, may get worse for all you know). I know that in academic world there's several notable people that somewhat successfully pushed or are in the process of pushing fundamentally right wing idea in this way. Bruce Gilley for instance managed to survive attempts at cancellation without losing his job(he didn't manage to get university press release of his book though) and he's defending European colonialism. Again, Gilley dresses it up in very liberal, utilitarian framework, but again if you want Europeans to stop hating themselves, one of the things you have to do is to show them that they're not evil for that you need to push that narrative out. Another example would be that Ivy League woman who wrote an entire book(managed to even get university press to publish it) about the fact that diversity isn't our strength, after all and she ended it with idiotic statement saying that in a world when we have then-fashionable Hamilton play(still only viewed behind closed doors) we will overcome it. I really don't think she is that stupid, and I don't think a single reader thought the same, it's just plausible deniability at that point. The third example would be David Reich, who again, says a lot of stupid liberal things, but the bulk of his work is a return to a view of prehistory present before WW2, with much more inter-group conflict and population replacements instead of the static, autochtonist hippie-dream world. And remember it's a fundamentally RW view that history is centred around group conflict(de Maistre for instance writes about it). He is jewish, but he pushes the cart in our direction.
Brayden Moore
Why do you hide form this point?
Colton Cruz
It certainly does. But the fact that every white low-functioning autistic invalid and schizophrenic boomer in the world has glommed onto this shit is also detrimental. Maybe more so than alphabet influence.
