OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

all I'm saying is that the N64 never had drift issues. Companies should go back to that style of control stick, but actually make them with quality materials this time.

Saving money on manufacturing AND raking in profits from selling more controllers. Console manufacturers know they can get away with it, so why not?

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PSBROS? WE GOT TOO COCKY

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As someone who has been trying to find a decent N64 controller for months now, you can go fuck yourself. The n64 analog stick is the worst piece of shit ever made, minus the (somehow even worse) chink replacement sticks. Whoever decided to make the whole internal unit out of cheap plastic with zero lubrication needs to be hanged.

you forgot something

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Show me 1 (one) xbox controller with drift.

that looks exactly like the inner part of those cheap Power a switch controllers lmao...

See all that white powder? That's not dead skin like your mom told you, it's plastic from inside that has grinds away every time you use it. Games like Mario Party are designed to destroy these.

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Yeah as I said they cheaped out on materials as I said. But there's a reason the n64 control stick never has drift issues. Rather than a potentiometer it uses technology similar to ball mice to track the stick's movement.

TL;DR the Sense and by extension DS4 analogs since they're the exact same are dirt cheap chink shit you would find on a street corner and they're soldered into the board so you can't fix them without risking damage.

Fair enough. If you get one that works they are great controllers, but my god are these sticks cheaply made.

The Elite controller, there was an entire lawsuit about it.

That pic is exactly how the ps4 joysticks look underneath. When I ordered replacement pieces, the wrapping said Xbox on it so I'm assuming Xbox is the same thing.

Not a console peasant. What does "drift" mean?

forgot to mention that the reason the 3rd party replacements are even worse is because they use potentiometers rather than OED
I'm well aware of the issue. If they simply used high quality plastic and lubricated things inside there would be no issue at all. The design itself is the best a control stick's ever been but it was ruined by cost cutting.

Let me guess, you "need" more.

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I assume they move the stick to one side and it locks on movement towards that side even after you let it go, kinda like when you alt tab out of a game and it gets stuck in moving forward because you pressed W before alt tabbing

Inputs without making the input so an up input is now a diagonal one.

It's really depressing how shitty the quality of everything is now. This must be what boomers felt like too.

>block's you are path
I got some bad upwards drift on my switch joycon but I bought some $5 electronics spray, sprayed some under the joycon stick and no issues since. Instant fix.

shit particles or whatever get caught in the sensors of the stick and it thinks you are giving input to some direction. Watch this Link youtube.com/watch?v=ODnCayCDDTQ

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>Why can't Sony figure out to make a long lasting $60 controller if a literal-who small company can do that for $30?
Why pay $10 for parts per controller when you can pay $4?
Why charge $30 when you can charge $70?
Why make something that people will buy once instead of something people will have to keep buying more of?

Once my DualSense5 starts drifting, I'm going right back to my SN30 Pro+

essentially as the potentiometers in a control stick get older they end breaking down and giving false inputs. This can't be fixed and is not caused by dust particles.

You know the best part about all of this?
The dualsense uses the same analogs as the DS4, Sonyfags have to finally admit that those little shits drifted as well.

I recall the sticks from Xbox360 controllers being like the one in the OP, what do you mean exactly with "soldered to the board" considering that component seems to always needs to be soldered to a board?

>shit particles
I mean, I guess people do use their switches in the bathroom

Things are designed to break after a certain amount of time, but it's tough to get the right balance such that they don't break too fast, otherwise you get a bad rep

Sony's controllers are garbage. My PS1 and PS2 controllers still work to this day. Can't say the same for my PS4 controllers. Just a garbage company. I'm on PC now, not putting up with their shit.

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Drift has been a big issue with Sony and Nintendo these days. My Black PS4 controller got drift on the right stick and the red one has left stick drift. Very minor drift at least. Not sure if Xbox controllers are handling this issue better since I don't have one.

>I recall the sticks from Xbox360 controllers being like the one in the OP
Similar but not the same, also some analog sticks are screwed in, like the joycons for example making repairs so easy that a retarded toddler can do it.

>be overly rough with your controllers and end up damaging them
>"HURR DURR MUST BE CHINK SHIT"
Stick drift doesn't exist. I've had multiple controllers for all consoles for the past 3 generations and never experienced it because I take care of my shit.

I see, in any case I am lucky my only PS4 controller hasn't gotten any drifting other than the one I can see in the configuration which I assume is in the dead zone.

Devs should stop including waggling or button mashing QTEs
Ie: Capcom left right left right to free from a grab, or square with the button mash on tomb raider actions
Funny thing is if you get into accessibility settings of games, a lot of them let you disable that and just hold the button

Drift aside why don't controllers start use the new shit the xbone elite 2 have where you can adjust the tension? A big issue I've always had with controllers is the stick getting loose, but with the elite 2 sticks you can just move to the next level of tension after a good few years use to get that like new feel. That and back paddles should become the standard.

Sony trannies will defend this.

I now have no faith in any controller I use whatsoever.

Why is everything so bad quality now

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With Nintendo they're using all new analog sticks that are considerably smaller and use finer parts.
With Sony? Who the fuck knows, they've been using the same ones for years now.

>company makes console that breaks on launch
>company makes controllers that are flimsy causing you to buy more

it's not new, it will continue as a way to make money for all companies who produce a series of goods and services.

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What does cumming in Ryza's eggs feel like

They should’ve been sued for last gen too. I bought a new PS4 controller and it started drifting after a week. I can’t believe how shitty and overpriced the controllers are, worst is they aren’t doing anything about it.

Yup these companies make it harder to repair their products on purpose. This of course means soldering things to the board but it also includes things like using less common types of screws to make it harder to get the controller open, not making replacement parts available on their own websites, threatening to void your warranty if you open up the device ect. Super anti-consumer.

mine hasnt drifted at all and ive had it since day 1. all sounds like a big meme to me or maybe im just blessed

Do you know Luis Rossman?

It will.

lots of factors cause electronics to degrade at different rates. It can be living in a different climate that can cause your stuff to last longer or it can be the simple fact that factory errors don't happen to every product in the assembly line that has yours working and others not.

Please explain to a retard what drifting is, because all I can imagine is people getting angry over their controllers sliding around on the floor to the sound of eurobeat.

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So first Nintendo, now Sony with this drift shit. Surprised Microshaft hasn't any problems yet with their faulty hardware history.

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when the stick is inputting a direction even when it's at rest. You can combat it with deadzones (the controller will ignore very shallow inputs) but it's a stopgap measure for a shitty stick.

>So first Nintendo, now Sony with this drift shit.
The Sense uses the same sticks as the DS4 so it's the other way around.
Also
videogameschronicle.com/news/now-xbox-faces-lawsuit-over-drifting-controllers/

Controller thumbstick stick keeps registering a direction even though the thumbstick isn't being moved.

you know what a ghost is?
just imagine a ghost moving your analog stick constantly in the same direction and the only way to counter that action is by moving it in a different direction stop for a second and it will go back to that direction the ghost is moving
this is a problem because the analog stick has a fucking mind of it's own

not until just now, no. I'm all for right to repair stuff in general though, especially for home appliances. North America needs to at least be at the standers of the EU in this area, if not exceeding them.

Damn, and here my cheap buffalo snes and PowerA 360 controller have been working fine for years. Lol so much for first party reliability.

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>he doesn’t have a controller for PC
NGMI

Clickable sticks

Well, all in all the right to repair should be part of the individual's right to private property, is crazy how the laws have been blurred over the decades.

just look at that overengineered piece of chink shit

We're the market leader in the rich shitting on everyone else though so don't expect it to happen.

Companies have worked hard to make sure you can legally own as little as possible. Digital games/music/movies can be revoked any time, you can't unlock your phone's bootloader without your carrier's permission, fixing shit yourself is against the rules. It's all part of the plan.

>b-but muh nintendo!
no

Unironically because of this.

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*laughs in gamecube controller*

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Not sure if this is true, but I remember reading that a lot of 7th gen AAA titles intentionally had large deadzones because they knew a lot of the install base probably had old beat up controllers. I noticed that while playing Alpha Protocol on an old 360, I would experience frequent drift but not when playing stuff like COD or Resident Evil 5.

xbox controllers dont drift you faggot nintendo kid.

kek

>friction based sticks in 2021
Why do consoleniggers love getting scammed so much?

man, i've been using this fuckin old 360 controller on my PC since.. maybe 2007-2008, and it has zero drift, and works perfectly. whats the fuckin problem with sony and nintendo?

This is why I'm not getting a PiS5

This is a 70 dollar controller.

>gpu prices
Why do pcfags love paying triple the price for old parts?

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because trannies and low test ""men"" will buy it anyway

So what is a good controller for PC? The xbox 360 is still the best?

The less common screw types is mostly a feature to prevent kids and dumbasses from opening it. Anyone who's skilled enough to actually service anything inside of it has a set with all those bits anyway.

it's like if one of your keyboard keys got stuck.
imagine how fucking annoying that would be

Don't know why anyone hasn't posted the good part
>"One of our teardown engineers measured their own Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019) controller interactions for back-of-the-envelope joystick life math. Averaging ten different 30-second intervals, they made roughly 100 full potentiometer rotations per minute. If you play a less stick-intensive game than a first-person shooter, rotating 80 times per minute, you’ll hit 2,000,000 rotations in 25,000 minutes, or 417 hours—that’s just 209 days, playing 2 hours per day. At a more kinetic 120 rotations per minute, that’s 139 days at 2 hours per day. So Alps’ own rating for accurate joystick measurements is, in one gamer’s hypothetical experience, 4-7 months—and that’s with a very non-pandemic 2-hour cap on your game time. "

>417 hours of playtime on a joystick before you get drift
lmao, consoles

SNOYBROS HOW WILL WE COPE?

fyi you can drop a gamecube stick straight into a n64 controller, the stick itself is a little shorter so it might feel weird at first, but it's the best way to go and it won't grind itself to death.

The hori pads are also pretty nice.

As somebody who has been a fan of playstation and has exclusively bought every playstation console 1 - 4, save for the gameboy colour and SD, I can honestly say FUCK SONY. I refuse to buy their pile of shit PS5 and I hope the western branch go out of business forever so that the Japs take it all back

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>Contrived durability is a strategy of shortening the product lifetime before it is released onto the market, by designing it to deteriorate quickly.[4] The design of all consumer products includes an expected average lifetime permeating all stages of development. Thus, it must be decided early in the design of a complex product how long it is designed to last so that each component can be made to those specifications. Since all matter is subject to entropy, it is impossible for any designed object to retain its full function forever; all products will ultimately break down, no matter what steps are taken. Limited lifespan is only a sign of planned obsolescence if the lifespan of the product is made artificially short by design.

why is this cat inside the joystick?

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buy retro fighters brawler 64 controller instead, its the best and cheapest alternative for n64 controller that has decent analog stick. raphnet-tech has adapters for wii classic controller pro or gamecube controllers(to n64), they are decent too and you can remap buttons as you like.

I also have one of those "gamecube" style replacements and apart from being too sensitive for shooters it works good enough for the games I actually wanted to play(platformers), but I use brawler 64 these days.

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Not exactly, they're completely different form factors. You're probably thinking of the 3rd party modules with gamecube style sticks, which are indeed a vast improvement.

>and I hope the western branch go out of business forever so that the Japs take it all back
They'll still use the same sticks, Sony's whole philosophy is expensive console, cheap everything else.

>expensive console
Why has every Sony console ever been a cheap piece of shit then?

How much cock can you suck

just open the stick up and replace the gears and bowl where the stick rests with new plastic ones and lube that shit. You can get replacement gears and bowls from china for a buck +shipping and handling. Not sure how available they are right now with the pandemic though.

Expensive systems don't mean they're built well.

>those adaptive triggers that's all plastic on plastic
>Xbox wants to implement it on their next lineup
>their elite series already has drift with fucked buttons and pads
As if the basic bitch edition that already goes for 100 dollydoos a piece wasn't daylight robbery. At least with PC you have the choice yo use peripherals that don't cost an arm and a kidney to buy.

> They should be designed with that reality in mind. Nintendo, for all its extended silence on Joy-Con drift failures, at least chose an easily replaceable joystick secured by Phillips screws and a flexible cable, not 16 solder joints.

Fuck you ifixit, there is nothing wrong with solder joints, its way better than that shitty lego connectors

Because pc lords are not poorfags like console niggers.

Tell that to the Honda CT110 family. That shit is designed to run for a lifetime with proper maintenance.

nice job retard would work in 3rd world lawless shithole of US but in europe the customer is protected and sony microsoft and nintendo foot the bill for your replacement and shipping of said replacement.

>pic
hello Hank Hill, didn't know you browse Dab Forums

>t. cuck

he was giving out advice yesterday to all the texafags that were trying to heat their homes with charcoal grills lmao.

- just pry open the green flaps [1] and cut off the bottom nub so it can snap back
- clean the black surface [2] inside
- make minor adjustments to the tiny metal contact springs [3]
literally all you have to do.
in my newer ds4 the metal springs actually worn into the black contact surface and I had to adjust the springs.
fixed both new and launch day ds4's.

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Dont know what youre talking about but my 99 honda CRV has 225000 miles and it just keeps going, same for the second one i have a 176000 from 02, b20z for LIFE

Jokes on them I just don't play the systems as much anymore. I've literally played my ps4 all of 7 times last year. I basically went hardcore into pc instead.

>Tell that to the Honda CT110 family.
You mean the Honda CT110 family that they've now started cheaping out on considerably and manufacturing in SEA shitholes?

The OG CT series were god tier though, the new ones are absolute pieces of shit.

I wish I could just plugin my ds2 controller using an usb adapter into the newer cucksoles.
Are there any decent third party controllers for ps3/ps4? Bonus points if they are available in pink.

Kek, outright lie, nigger

Can confirm
>t. had two 70 and 73 models pulled from an offal pit and brought back to life.

>t. retard who can't solder and needs everything to be done by his baby hands

>That shit is designed to run for a lifetime with proper maintenance.
Not anymore, the new CT110's are awful, no kickstarter, shittier gearbox, shittier suspension, shittier construction, some rubbish engine made in thailand etc

Another great Australian icon has died.

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AG100 >CTs

What do you mean by tiny adjustments exactly? What's my goal here?

>there is nothing wrong with solder joints
Yeah, there's totally nothing wrong with affixing a major component down and expecting everyone to have a soldering iron to fix it when it eventually goes to shit.

Planned obsolescence is a harsh reality.

F
TW200 > AG100 > CT

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>tfw got a 2014 NBC with 26k on the clock with kick and electric start
I've heard they've got bad suspension and shit cooling with the plastic but I love it. I had a CT70 growing up with fat beach tyres but this thing feels like comfy on two wheels.

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TL;DR:
PS5 stick is the stick from Alps, the same is used in PS4, Xbox One and Pro controllers. The problem is potentiometers that meausere the position of the stick are rated at 2,000,000 cycles. If you do some math: playing an intensive and active game you will hit this 2,000,000 after about ~300 hours of gameplay.
Basically it means that controller sticks are not designed to be usable for more than ~300-400 hours of gameplay.

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TF125 > CT > AG

Money.

All bikes are fun, it's just that the newer ones are objectively shittier and lower quality than the older ones.

I mean, would you ride your bike across the simpson desert?

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Literal Soul vs seouless

no I ride it around at night listening to k-rose and the dust. feelsgoodman.

based ausbro

>300-400 hours
that's fucking nothing

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the analog sticks translate movement from the springs (i don't know what else to call them) making contact with the black surface inside the green flap.
in my case the springs actually dug scratches into the black surface so I made adjustments to the springs using a tweezer to try to make better contact with the black surface.

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>MAR

i always buy everything game related second hand and months to a year after release because im not a lobotomised consoomer retard

What your bike lacks in soul you at least make up for it.

All of them are manufactured by the same shitty company.

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>150 days of playing 2 hours a day and your controller dies
Neat, so this shit won't even last six months for the most casual as fuck gamers.

my 10+ year old Snopy trash still works flawlessly

>said the thirdie who has to pirate all his games and spends all his time playing League of Legends
lol

Only T3 controllers have screws for the potentiometers.

>Alps Alpine
Stevens Stevenson

a soldering iron costs 2$ user, and replacement joysticks that get soldered on is way easier to find than a specific joystick that needs a specific ribbon cable

>same joysticks
Does that mean you could swap the rubber button pads over too?

Based wheel and dealer

Yeah, this fucking thing sucked so much ass. What a failure.

When I was looking up prices for a replacement joystick on an elite controller they were $60 each while the standard was $5. It that's the case I could buy fucked controllers and swap the parts out. Beats paying $300 retail for something with a six month life expectancy.

Don't know about nintendo controller and the new xbox/PS5 controllers but you could definitely do it with the xbox one controller and the dual shock 4.

Yes.

How long have you used it? I’ve seen plenty of people in YouTube comments saying their SN30 Pro+ (nice name btw) started drifting after only a few months of use

From now on all your controllers will start drifting. Shouldn’t have posted that user

????????
How is that different from any usual controller use

Except they won't because I take care of my shit

poorfag cope

>amerifat

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The elite controllers have had drift issues but the base ones are fine.

my dualshock 4 recently started drifting on the left stick, think i'll hold off on the ps5 for now

>make dogshit hardware
>make the repair process as miserable as possible to discourage you from even bothering
this is the American classic, where the fuck have you been

man I can't wait for summer to arrive just to see al the dead controllers and burning PS5s, gen 9 is such a fucking less already

tl;dr the contact surface wears out, and eventually you have to replace it, no two ways about it. You can adjust all you want, it's still gonna fail, just a bit later.

You forgot the glue. Manufacturers love using glue nowadays.

It's obviously a extreme usage very different from normal use
Same happens with mario party on the DS. That game destroyed the touch display like no other

Another reason to learn to solder. These are probably relatively inexpensive to buy from Alps wholesale.
I didn't get a dualsense though because I'm not a faggot.

>my xenoblade pro controller started drifting
>nintendo's warranty is only 90 fucking days
>just buy a new one off amazon and return my old one for a full refund in the same box
fuck jeff bezos and fuck nintendo
also NEVER EVER play fucking smash brothers on anything but a gamecube controller, that game is literally designed to ruin your fucking controller

Where do you live? IIRC local law overrides company statements so look them up.
In Europe you get 2 years of warranty no matter what some company fuck tells you.
Same for returning items without the packaging, they'll tell you you need it but that's bullshit.

> These are probably relatively inexpensive to buy from Alps wholesale.
Thats what i've done for my ds4.
They are gigantic pain in the ass to change. I have some soldering equipment, decent experience and hated it. For reference, stick assembly has 14 contacts soldered to board and its surrounded by other, pretty small and fragile, components.

I live in America, the #1 nation in consumer rights
nintendo charges $40 minimum to """"""fix""""""" a pro controller more than 90 days after you bought it

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I've been doing this for years, even did it with a faulty PS4 Pro.

My controller works fine :)

unironic cope

>a soldering iron costs 2$ user
That's soldering wire you idiot, the iron costs 15 to 20.

I'm so glad I'm not an Americuck holy shit.

consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2013/05/the-word-on-warranty-protection/index.htm

According to this depending on the state you live in the government puts company interests above those of actual law. You might be lucky and live in a state that doesn't suck Nintendo's dick.

How bad are you that it's hard?
The solders are through hole pins, i have shakey hands and i have no problem with them

amazon.com/LDK-Soldering-Adjustable-Temperature-Replacement/dp/B083L8BXRC/ref=sr_1_2?_encoding=UTF8&c=ts&dchild=1&keywords=Soldering Guns & Irons&qid=1613729666&refinements=p_36:1253528011&rnid=1243644011&s=hi&sr=1-2&ts_id=13837371
>Multiple tips
>tempurature regulation
>10$

you can go even cheaper if you go to a dollar store and get one that is just a thin wire that heats up inside

>not $2
I rest my case.
Also that chink shit will singe your fingers.

I mean what am I supposed to do when I call their customer service and they tell me they won't fix it unless they pay? it's not like I can force them to do it over the phone

I actually had this one, it broke after an hour of being turned on: it more or less melts itself.

>they pay
unless I pay, fuck

2$ exist and i've used them, it will probably burn your house down if you left it on too long, but they work good enough for through hole pins

anons, some of my switch games I've had for a long time now have creases and shit on the covers/cases that they came with that has always bothered me and I'm considering buying brand new ones on Amazon to swap them out and return for a refund
will this actually work or will my account get banned or something? can I do it with all of the games at once?

Is your controller in pristine condition?

I don't get it. I read the entire article, and it just talked in general about the faults of most modern analog sticks. Why does the DualSense have more aggregious issues, if it uses the same module as every other controller?

wow user look at all the replies you got

If your local law conflicts with their statement confront them with that. If they refuse after that they're breaking the law.

What idiot would sell one thing that last for 1000 years if you can sell thousand things that will work only one year each?

my state wasn't listed in that article

>buy a ps5 controller they said
>it has features they said
lmao still rocking my xbone controller with no issues, even my decade old 360 controller works fine

Nothing you can do then I guess legally. I've "repaired" some controller and it's easy enough, but repairing without straight up replacing the joystick unit mostly means removing current issues and prolonging its life for a bit until the inevitable happens anyway.

I mean isn't that the case with all fancy tech?
The more shit you add the more can break. Xbone controllers will last longer because they have less bells and whistles, meanwhile Atari controllers have one button and will outlast the concept of videogames itself.

That was my first iron too and it definitely does pretty much melt itself due to just having shit tier steel. It's fine for a few projects like if you just wanted to replace your analog sticks but don't count on having it for very long. Would recommend just spending more for a non-chink one.

My old ps1 and 2 controllers still work despite the abuse I gave them.

Pic related is literally the only reason to own one if you don't already have the old stuff, once Yuzu gets the gyro thing implemented as well i will get one for sure since you can avoid a little bit of drifting with deadzone configs.

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Nice shilling pajeet. The article OP posted literally says that all console makers are using the same joysticks in their controllers.

See

This is why buying any "premium" stuff is retarded. Underneath the shiny plastic they all use the same shitty sensors.
You are much better off buying a cheap chink knockoff, sure it will break after a year or two, but at least it will be just as cheap to replace it.

I wonder if the Index controllers use those too, since those apparently are also prone to drift.

This goes for the joystick unit yes, but modern controllers are adding more and more stuff that all have their own shelf life as well.
A NES controller doesn't have joysticks, it doesn't have shoulder buttons, it doesn't have a lightbar, touchpad, microphone, motion controls and what not. The more you add, the more that can break rendering the controller useless for certain games depending on if you can fix it yourself.

Well, yes, but in this case, we are specifically discussing the joysticks. Shilling older xbone controllers because their joysticks still work for you is retarded, because it's literally the same component. I don't disagree with you on the rest of the points, though.

ghosts aren't real major

If all the new 1st party controllers are shit what am I supposed to get then?

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You're supposed to roll over and take what you can get. There is nothing you can do except repair your controllers if they break, but they'll break again for good eventually.
The only real option is to not play their game, but then you might as well go live in a cave. Laugh it off while crying internally and move on.

>NOoOOO!!! YOU CANT BLAME THE NIPPERINO FOR SHIT MADE JUNK!!

um, yes you can and you can blame both the console makers and the stupid nips.

When the replacements work better than the stock joysticks you fucked up.

This entire thread and article is about joysticks, dumwit.

they use shitty parts like how logitech cant make a mouse that doesnt double click within a month of use

>Kojima announces a MH spinoff starring Eric Bana

And yet I was responding to someone else, not making my own statement. Please don't bully me, it's very rude and a bad character trait.

wrong.
my ds4's have been working fine for over a year now since i corrected them.
they were so bad i was close to buying new ones.
anyone can do this, unless you wanna roll over and sue like a pussy.

user, you delayed the inevitable. Contact surfaces do wear out, yours might work fine but you're not a magician who can alter the laws of physics.

Add in a way to move the camera seperate from your character, and it's great. Maybe a more ergonomic design wouldn't hurt, too.

Hold A, select and start in that order and tap a direction on the D-PAD to move the camera.

Alps has been the go-to for sticks for many years now. Yet you don't see this issue in previous generations.
Meanwhile switch joycon sticks are made by a different company.

>Xbox controllers made in the past few years have defective joysticks

Wasn't that just the Elite controllers? The first gen ones were dogshit and many people sent them back for replacements. As far as I'm aware, the normal controllers are fine. They seem to be built like tanks with a good weight to them, Nintendo and Sony controllers are dogshit and feel like you're holding a Chinese knock-off.

I actually admire Microsoft for avoiding meme gimmicks too like motion controls, it's such a fucking shit feature and adds nothing to the game.

retard, have you actually unsoldered an joystick before? its not as easy as it looks like. plus joycon sticks comes as whole, the stick and ribbon are one piece so you only need to replace one part. unsoldering 11 solder points and getting the acual stick out without damaging the PCB is hard, and you need proper equipment for it, in comparison for joycons you only need an screwdriver and little patience.

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they're not exactly precision instruments. the fix will last awhile and you can make continued adjustment if necessary before it becomes completely hopeless.
fix it yourself or get a new one everytime they start drifting.
actually, the only reason i didn't order new ones is because i wasn't sure if what i ordered wouldn't be counterfeits or just get fucked again.
fucking amazon

From that article linked in OP, it seems like when you install a new joystick, you need to calibrate it, too. Is that even possible to do by a consumer on the newer controllers?

Still using the same old potentiometer mechs from the 90s.. makes the hall effect sticks used by sega seem like space magic.

Crazy that modern controllers are so eager to jump on the gimmick bandwagon yet they refuse to change dinosaur tech because presumably the budget doesn't allow that

If dumbasses and kids want to learn to fix their shit and fail at it then they should not need special bits. The flimsy shit like pentalobe are also much easier to round if they sit even a little bit tight. No one will argue you should keep any warranty if you yourself break or damage things when opened so there's really no good reason to use 3-4 different screws that aren't just philips or flat.

jokes on controller peasants. sold my original ps5 controller ages ago and pluggged my mouse and keyboard in my ps5 and don't have to worry about some "joystick drift"

based. fuck nigs

>I actually admire Microsoft for avoiding meme gimmicks too like motion controls
Faggot who doesn't use gyro confirmed lol. No wonder you like claw grip trash Xbox controllers.

I haven't had drift issues since I stopped cramming controllers into bags like when I was in highschool. I haven't bought a ps5 tho.

Also, in regards to drift, it shouldn't be possible on xbone and up controllers because they have a software drift compensation and dead zone settings that are adjustable by default. My elite controller is still working since I bought it about a year after it launched. The old launch, not the newer ones with usb-c.

I bought a $20 bootleg switch controller which looks exactly the same as the official but with shittier components. The left stick started drifting so I had to look for joysticks on aliexpress. The new joystick I installed is a lot better and smoother than the one it came with and it costed around $2. I can imagine how dirty cheap the joysticks on the PS5 controller are considering they are drifting after barely a month of use.

Yeah saw this coming way back. DS4 has had the same drift issue since forever but for some reason has stayed a little bit more under the radar. If you looked up any teardown, you'd see there's new stuff like the haptics but the sticks used exactly the same switches etc. underneath.

>the more you play FPS games, the more your controller gets drift'd

How retarder are you that 12* through hole pins is hard?

and yes i did

>calibrating potentiometers
user, that's not how potentiometers work
you're only going to have issues if they are different ohm values

aren't these the exact same ones as in the switch pro controllers? It's really easy to replace, you don't remove the soldered parts, you bend them back far enough that you can take out the module in the middle and replace it.
I've done this repair on my pro controller before, it's not such a big deal, and you don't have to desolder anything, the issue isn't in the parts that are attached to the board.

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COCKBROS, WE GOT TOO SONY

doesn't work for PS5 controllers because it's unrelated to dust.
The potentiometers have a low endurance meaning they will wear out within a year.
There's no way to just spray them better, you have to desolder the joysticks from the board and solder new ones.

Meanwhile, my competition pro still works as good as it did back in the day (1987)

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>and they're soldered into the board
like all the other joysticks!??
ohmygah!1!!1!

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hmmmmmmmm

well of course, stuff in the 80's were built to last through cold war nuclear winter

BITE OF 87??????

the 80s were really a hard time
imagine being in a family and seeing this and saying it looks like anything else

>they're soldered into the board so you can't fix them without risking damage.

not redeeming sonyshit in any way but replacing those is easy as shit, literally just takes those 10$ chink kits with soldering iron and suction thingy.

your controllers are lasting too long, gamer!
we would REALLY like you to keep giving us 80 dollars for a new one every few months

no particular reason btw, we just want more money piles to jump on :^)

This isn't new, ds4s had the same issue. People just ignored it.

>they're soldered into the board
So, like every fucking electronic component since 1900? Are you fucking retarded?

Don't care, still bought 5 of them.

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Nintendo got away with drifting joycons
Sony will get away with drifting analogs

There's literally NO fucking reason to not fuck your customers. See paid online being a goddamn standard now

It's okay, paypigs will forgive them.

>vote red because "freedumbs good! regulations bad!!!"
>cry and whine about the consequences
rightoids, everyone.

That looks like a 360 one. Can't they come up with some new and better way to make them?

One phone call, and you get a mail with a resend number.(EU)
Only problem it might take up to a month with sending in and getting a new one.
>1 week of retur
>1 week of laying on the desk for someone to test and confirm
>1 week of filling out form and sending a new one
>1 week of delivery

>~300 hours of gameplay

That's like a couple of days solid gaming

What the fuck retard, that’s not even right.

The stock continues to move in a direction once it stops. Move stick left—let stick go— character still slowly turning left.

They did though. They set 0,0 to wherever the stick was when the machine booted, so once they stick went floppy you would get drift all the time. I remember distinctly on games like Mario and dk64 where the dead one was almost zero that idle characters would just slowly spin or walk around on the spot

I had a PS3 on launch and used the same controller the entire gen with daily usage with no problems, being much younger and less careful. The PS4 I also used daily for years but went through 4 pads that gen due to stick issues. Been back on PC this last year and staying, fuck consoles, they are a downgrade in everyway except shitty and woke AAA exclusives I couldn't give a rats arse about anyway.

this is what wite wimin do

Sure they can. It would cost money though.

Why does Sony make the best controller shape for platformers, but have the shittiest fucking d-pad ever?
Gone through 3 damn controllers in a year and all of the "Replacement" pads feel like shit.

I also had a rift controller replaced six months ago for the worst drift ever, it was brand new and fucked out of the box.

I've got a cheap $30 Logitech mouse that's lasted me 4 years without an issue so far. Is double clicking a known issue?

I mean it worked for Nintendo. Idiots bought that the joycons are super high tech and cost a lot to make in spite of them being super flimsy and feelings like they could break apart at any moment. I roll my eyes each time I see someone mention they bought another set of joycons for any reason.

I remember Microsoft claiming they spent ~1 billion dollars on the Bone controller.

>now
These things are '90s technology.

No fucking way, that's only a year for a casual player

My old g5v2 works perfectly, I got a g500s for my laptop and it started double clicking after like 2 years, I eventually just got myself a soldering station, got the reliable jap microswitches instead of the shitty chink ones they use now, and I've never had a problem with it in 4 years, the switches were like $5 off ebay, it's amazing how much companies will kike out over a $2 or $3 dollar difference

That was on R&D. Apparently they determined that potentiometers are adequate.

My elite is literally starting to fall apart after a year.

What's a good controller for PC that won't fucking fall apart in a year?

Should I just try to get an original 360 controller or something? I don't really give a shit about the price, I just want something that will last.

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>uses the same potentiometer
Nothing personnel kid

i should start advertising ds5 repair at my shop lol

>potenciometers are bad
brainlet take, name anything better for analogs
This is the smallest absolute encoder
motioncontroltips.com/worlds-smallest-multi-turn-absolute-kit-encoders-unveiled/

>ps2 controllers not only had the best design, but will live longer than any of the ones that came after it

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Yeah analog sticks have always been shit, consoleniggers took a really long time to realize this.

I remember having to buy like 5 PS2 controllers over my PS2's lifespan lmao
They were pieces of shit, but at least they were cheap

how is it that reputable companies like alps and omron ship such god awful hardware for controllers and mice? ive had two mice in a row that use omrons double click within months and now alps sticks are shitting the bed in the ds5 yet the omrons i have in my iidx controller have been working for 4+ years

So what controller do I buy for PC gaymen?

I'm getting tired of putting up with this shit. I need a new hobby.

Smash wrecked so many of these. A lot of my sticks are fucked. Granted, it's irrelevant as they are almost 20 years old.

I've had the same batch for about 20 years now.
I even still use them for pc.

The official sony ones were never cheap. I worked in a toystore for the ps2's entire run and it was always over priced just like the memory cards.

My local store had them for like 25 eurobucks

This started getting really bad with the PS2 fats. They broke so much that people accused Sony of planned obsolescence after just a year or two. Mikami hated the PS2 and removed himself as head of his company when he found Capcom exploited a loophole in the RE4 "exclusive" contract with Nintendo.

They even named a racing dog in pic related "Mikami's head".

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>nooo it has to be cost cutting
>not the chinese are greedy and sell you dogshit components

how come consolefags are still stuck in the 90s using potentiometers instead of hall sensors?
is it to sell gamepads more cause they are guaranteed to break? how come no 3rd party made a hall effect based gamepad?

does steam controller use potentiometers?

Nothing last anymore, it's over.

Those aren't mutually exclusive, both are occurring

Why use something that makes you less money?

The article said Dreamcast had Hall effect sensors. I guess they figured out they could keep selling the subpar stuff.

yea I'm finding some older consoles with halsensors
its just insane how noone knows about tgis and keeps complaining about controllers
potentiometers WILL go bad, theres no if
if you want a good controller find one with hall sensors instead of complaining and buying new controller every year

Why not just make some better potentiometers?

>potenciometers WILL go bad
>IC's that require sensitive precision that are affected by magnets won't

if you faggots gave a shit about durability or repairability you would have no issues with potenciometers, the companies are jewing on quality of potenciometers, but that has nothing to do with the choice of using potenciometers

> how come no 3rd party made a hall effect based gamepad?
If you have to ask you already got your answer

cause no matter how good you make them its still two metal parts rubbing together, it will wear out
hall sensors work on magnets, no contact

also they both cost cents

try flight simulator community bud
everyone been using magnetic for at least a decade now
no, it doesnt go bad.

also people mod the shit out of their equipment

they don't give a fuck about gamers

Only one of those is real.

Claw back some profit from repeat controller buys

can you plug in mouse and keyboard into consoles?
how about flight stick?
cheapest hall effect stick is 60$ and has a lot more accuracy and length
I bet all console "fps" "pros" would be using it to shoot

Console manufacturers don't respect their customers.
Compare this to mechanical keyboards to see the huge difference.

>the joycons for example making repairs so easy that a retarded toddler can do it
This. One of my joycons started to drift after three and a half years so I just replaced the stick.

what does mechmeme have to do with this?
its an absolute waste of money, save for NKRO

where did you buy the component?

>keyboards that last decades if you aren't a gorilla smashing your keyboard in daily
use your pea sized brain you cuckold coomer

>a decade
That's nice, my 30 year old pots are still working fine.

The issue is low quality made in china dogshit, realistically you will never move a pot enough to kill it.

You can buy decent peripherals for pc if you have the money.
For consoles you can't, you are forced to keep buying plastic trash.

>have multiple ps2, og xbox, gamecube, wii+nunchucks, ps3 controllers and a wii u gamepad, a Logitech g600 mouse, a steelseries free, a GBa, a DS Lite, A 3ds XL, and a a whole bunch of third party controllers for the above consoles and more

The joycons and ds5 are simply over engineered, too many things can go wrong and when one goes wrong it creates a cascade effect. Microsoft unironically got it right with the series x/s controllers, they tweaked the xbox one controller just a bit and fixed some of its issues. But they kept it simple. Nobody cares about "HD Rumble" or "Haptic Feedback" make a fucking controller that doesn't fucking break with normal use.

First of all, the drift is made from the springs that return the analog, not the potenciometers, hall sensors don't save you from that

the flight sim community also uses quality parts, a first party controller manufacturer is going to go for the lowest bidder

third, flight sims sticks are bigger, and thus allow more robust construction, this, paired with lack of sudden motion in flight sims makes drift a nonissue

realistically, if you ever used old audio decks, potentiometers do add noise when moving them, i have no idea how would it effect ohm values though

but i agree with you

coping and projecting
I had my membrane for 10 years now
its my second keyboard in my life and I only replaced the old one cause keys literally started to have rub holes in them
it cost 10$

like I said, cope.

>membrane
>lasting more than 3-4 years

analog sticks didn't use to be buttons

they dont wear out if you dont use them
I remember buying a controller for dark souls cause pcport controls were dogshit
I didn't even beat the game, already had jittering

Yeah but at least even my underage retarded ass was able to order replacements, unscrew the controller and replace these.

>nobody cares about "triggers" or "analog sticks" make a fucking controller that doesn't break with normal use.
This is how you sound in the year 2000

Mine had it (xbox one for pc) after a year.

My ps4 also had it

I dont know
no one takes pots seriously in flight sims and even ones on 600$ throttles wear out in couple years

they weren't buttons in n64 age, ps2 already had analog buttons

no third party makes premium stuff?... is it a legal issue?

There's actually not much of a reason to use pots on a high cycle system when MR sensors exist.

>third party makes cheap alternative
>console manufacture are the premium provider
???

Third party for console is even worse.

>lack of sudden motion in flight sims
I'm sorry what?... not talking about air bus drivers here

I have a cheap knockoff PC xbox 360 controller, works great but I noticed the joysticks are very one dimensional, I don't know how to put it but they are not precise,
I tested this on LFS, and it turns way to fast like a keyboard, it doesn't detect small turns really well, I don't know how to explain it, like I can't do circles and small movements don't do anything until a certain range, is there a way to modify this to improve it?

You might suddenly push the stick in one way a couple times, but you aren't doing it 100 times a minute for 3 hours like analog sticks are used

you fell for the meme, paying x10-20 for a keyboard
admit it, you either fucked up or you just like the rainbow rgb and keyboards being a hobby for you

MR?

buy logarithmic analog sticks

>it's a meme because i said so
>shitty rubber keyboard that u can literally rip holes into after just enough pressing down over time

HD Rumble and Haptic Feedback are gimmicks. When triggers and analog sticks were first introduced, they opened up new possibilities for playing games. What do HD Rumble and Haptic Feedback do that regular rumble and normal triggers can't already do?

you have it reverse
third party is supposed to be premium
official is just something that works

how long until he realizes the d-pad is fucking anus and overly sensitive

enjoy your diagonal inputs when playing Celeste or anything else that needs precision

yeah but that's how it works irl unless you're playing n64

mine got stick drift in like 3 months. it comes and goes though, currently seems to be gone, haven't had it in a couple of weeks. it's really weird.

uh, yea you do
any combat, air refueling, a-g
also the accuracy and higher resolution count in halls makes a difference

rumble was a gimmic when it came too
pressure sensitive buttons on ps2 was supposed to open new possibilities to play games like in ps2 like in mgs2 and 3 and now they are gone

Fucking good. Everyone with a ps5 was warned not to get the guinea pig hardware. When reports of this happening were just coming through, fanboys were denying it like crazy just like they do every, single, fucking time. The madness never ends.

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>PS5 controller uses the exact same 88 cents joycon module as the DS4, 360, One, Series X, Elite and Switch Pro controller

>soldered to the fucking board

>rated for only 300 hours of gameplay by the manufacturer

>gotta buy a new $70 controller when the $0.88 part fails

Bravo

>and they're soldered into the board

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoresistance

even just flying around to and from ao youre usually not alone and formation flying needs constant adjustments
maybe that's also the reason, you do small adjustments more, it wears the center out while extremes are less worn

Stop slamming your sticks, retards. The reason Switch sticks drift so much is because people play Smash and slam the sticks a lot. Won't happen on PS5 nearly as much because there's no similar game.

not the guy you replied to but I've had mine before china virus was ever mentioned and used heavily. No drifting here, just the d-pad has a little scratching problem but doesn't affect gameplay so far.

you underestimate fighter fags

Rumble is still a fucking gimmick. Who the fuck actually thinks playing with rumble is a good experience?
I personally love not having my immersion ruined by my controller fucking up my controls.

>$180 Elite controller uses 90 cents joysticks that have a life expectancy of less than a year

Excuse me what the fuck?

What's a good DS4 replacement? I have two controllers, one has stick drift and one has a faulty start button, and after reading all of this, I refuse to give them any more money by buying more DS4s.

I have a 360 controller that started to drift after 3 years of use, although I have an xbone controller for almost the same amount of years and I haven't had any problems so far.

>minus the (somehow even worse) chink replacement sticks
Dude, what are you talking about? You can get gamecube style replacement sticks that are way fucking better and last far longer than the original sticks. What replacement sticks are you talking about that are somehow worse than the originals?

yes, that's how the world works
you poke your finger long enough you can make a hole in metal or stone too

wind and water errosion are real problems in the world

Except that the N64 stick used optical sensors that never failed.

>accuracy and higher resolution count
what the fuck kind of potentiometers do you use where it's less accurate than 400mA difference lol
give me some datasheets

it's easier to repair retards, and allows you to buy quality ones and replace them
way better than ribbon cables that are controller specific and break if you look at it wrong

how else would they force you to buy more?
no one is going to sell you an everlasting lightbulb

I have no idea what stick drift is. I have 800 hours played on MHGU and probably about 500ish hours across Diablo 3, Stardew Valley and various RPGs. All of this was on two sets of joy cons.

I've tried motion-controllers with wii u and switch, especially with splatoon, but I don't find it so important to have it in a controller and justify the price, besides not all games want to add it.

dunno look up what vkb or virpil put into their sticks

Sony still uses pressure sensitivity, they just moved it to the triggers. AKA, They have normal analog triggers like Xbox controllers have had since the OG Xbox.

So no, pressure sensitive buttons weren't a gimmick. They way sony implemented it was.

Rumble was a gimmick, now many games use it as a feature. In SMO for example, your joycons vibrate when you are close to a moon. But this is something that could already be done with normal rumble. HD Rumble added nothing.

it's a fine feature but devs still don't know how to implement it correctly. it seems that they always set the intensity to ultra high, sometimes the controller rumbles so hard that I can actually hear it rattle.

This isn't exclusive to game controllers, this is down the entire field of tech. Basically we hit the wall of innovation and quality control, as tech and manufacturing advances things become cheaper to produce and more efficient. This runs counter productive to the concept of CONSOOM, and companies realized they could reap the benefits of efficiency in manufacturing and higher market gains by slapping planned obsolescence into everything from fridges, lawn mowers to cars. Go to some board that talks about appliances, look at how fridges products that lasted anywhere from 10 - 40 years without issues now are lucky to go 3 - 10 and everyone says "That's just how they are now, all models suck". Modern microwaves, coffee and espresso machines? All break the fuck down in waves. Local multiplayer is fucking dead, why would you need another controller once you have one or god forbid two? So you gotta make the controllers break the fuck down. This goes for the consoles point of failures too, they're fully capable of making these things old nintendium era bullet proof but they do quirky design flaws and points of failure out the ass. And like all modern products rather than charge you more up front it's more profit to charge you less then make you eat the full cost of a new product.

The biggest fucking environmental disaster that no green progressive hippie dirt snorter is ever gonna address is the consoom wasteful product manufacturing culture and quantity over quality.

>soldered into the board
stop the presses

holy shit i hate technological illiterates. of course it's soldered to the board, find me one singular controller that mounts those modules in any other way. also, give me this shit and i'll replace it for you within half an hour, and i'm a complete amateur with only basic soldering skills. i realize your normie drama seeking ass might find it extremely difficult to believe, but removing existing solder, pulling something out, and then putting this shit back together really isn't difficult, only a bit clunky and time consuming when there's a lot of mounting points (like in thumbstick modules). amateur would struggle for half an hour, advanced amateur would hotair it out within five minutes

this thread was made yesterday by a similar tech illiterate who decided to put lots of emphasis on how thumbsticks are - gasp - soldered to the board. was it also you? could you stop being a retard?

>HAHAHAH ENJOY YOUR FISHER PRICE CONSOLE AND DRIFTING SOICONS NINTENDIES
>Snoy consoles have the same issues with comparable build quality for twice the price,half the games, and artificial scarcity

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>virpil
looked it up, it's custom shit that i have no way of finding datasheets for, and the diy options cost 10$ lol, nobody is putting that in a controller. i rest my case

>not only half the games
>they're all lame sequels with no real difference
>BUT THE POWER OF SSDS AND PORTALS THAT ARE LOADING SCREENS
>IT'S LIKE WE'RE EVOLVING BUT DEVOLVING BACK INTO THE PS1 BUT WITH NO GAMES SO SPOOKY

he's a retard but I get his point. 99% of people won't even have the tools for soldering. also the process of opening up a controller and putting it back together can create other issues if you're not super careful. it's just a hassle that I shouldn't have to even concider for a controller that isn't even 1 year old.

whats that?

>he thinks "300 hours garenteed lifetime" is dirt related
o nononononono

based

honestly troubling to imagine the wall-e landfills everyone's gonna have to wade through to get to work in 20+ years

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>in europe the customer is protected
>against planned obsolescence
No we're not and nobody is.

>find me one singular controller that mounts those modules in any other way
The Switch's joycon controllers just screw them in.

>These controllers are cheaper to produce up-front, but more expensive to fix when they fail.
>operating life for the RKJXV’s potentiometers: 2,000,000 cycles.
> If you play a less stick-intensive game than a first-person shooter, rotating 80 times per minute, you’ll hit 2,000,000 rotations in 25,000 minutes, or 417 hours—that’s just 209 days, playing 2 hours per day. At a more kinetic 120 rotations per minute, that’s 139 days at 2 hours per day. So Alps’ own rating for accurate joystick measurements is, in one gamer’s hypothetical experience, 4-7 months—and that’s with a very non-pandemic 2-hour cap on your game time.

They want to sell you multiple controllers.

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potenciometers that go on a logarithmic scale instead of linear

>8bitdo
I remember trying some of these and they were fucking dogshit lol. Had noticeable input lag and everything.

how expensive are they?

I did not expect this today.

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Prices tend to go up logarithmically.

... I think i'll buy a new controller

Ps4 and Xbox ones uses the same shitty potentiometer so sooner or later you will be fucked

Yeah but the problem with pc are the same memes of ps4 controllers and with that i mean double click problems and its really funny because both have the solution, desoldering and replacing the components and both are super cheap btw

>XBOX controllers also use this part
wtf which controller do I buy to be safe from this meme?

A chinese custom one or an astro controller but sooner or later you will have to learn soldering memes

cope nigcel

Third party controller I guess.

yes on their gaming mice atleast, dunno which one you have. has happened to every logitech I've owned from g302 to a wireless pro.

its actually the spring inside the switches they use that loses tension easily so a

you mean 79

If you play Celeste you have bigger problems.

confirmed for having never ever worked on a pad

they're not. The joycon drift problem for example can be solved with a 12 dollars replacement pack from amazon

what is your case exactly?
you can look thrustmaster too
I dont get what you mean by "custom shit" its just a company that makes sticks

ps5 is a fucking trainwreck, and i love it

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Didn't valve fix that issue a while ago

Reality, joystick have always been shit, but most people never tried to figure out why or were not Bright enough to realize they have been screwed. now that way more people game than ever before the problem seem.more widespread, but it's in reality always been there from the get go.

All controllers have the same Alps Alpine joysticks.

>*Double click woopsie*
STFU all fucking mouse end up double clicking like the mofo they are, not just the Logitech mouse. They all end up doing it ffs

For whatever reason all controllers aren't having the same degree of drifting problems, so it can't JUST be Alps' fault.

They do, end user is different for each controller, it means conteoller won't wear out if used less.

Weird, there are also a couple of revisions of each Alps joystick, but there is no info what is changed, I bought a replacement sticks of old stock at Mouser when a newer sticks came out, same size, same parameters, same specs.
Probably they are even more cheaply made and worse that the previous generation.

That's a weird lookin' fuckin' cat

Are controllers even worth fixing? I dropped my xbone controller and now the stick drifts and the bumpers don't work unless you press down hard.

Yeah, usually, but you won't know till you try. If the process is fun or interesting for you then it's worth it.

My DS4 and launch Pro controller both have no drift though and I've had them for years. Fuck joycons though, since these things are way better.

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They all drift, you can just look at the youtube search results. If there's a dozen of tutorial, then there's a lot of people experiencing it. The drift exists on the xbox controllers and the playstation controllers. Everyone just ignored it.

I didn't say they didn't drift, just that they "aren't having the same degree of drifting problems". Of course, that's not an empirical claim either, but it's a different argument.

Zowei.

man just wait for v2 of controller

At least some companies are trying to do something about it, my friend bought a Zowie mouse last year and it came with a spare set of factory skids, I think they are also suing korean switches in their new mice that aren't prone to it like the chink ones. I heard one of the newer razer mice has the switches hot swapable so you don't even need to solder shit if you want to replace them

if you have a second controller then definitely take a look. I'm all for self repairs but I hate the self absorbed DIY faggots who think even one has 3 spares to work on so they just go at it without any care if they break it. Most of the people looking to solve the problem only have one controller, so if they fuck up they have to buy a new one in the worst case, along with not being able to play your games while you wait for the new one to come in, best case is they fix it but now it doesn't have a warranty anymore