Women in China's "re-education" camps for Uighurs have been systematically raped, sexually abused, and tortured, according to detailed new accounts obtained by the BBC.
You may find some of the details in this story distressing.
The men always wore masks, Tursunay Ziawudun said, even though there was no pandemic then.
They wore suits, she said, not police uniforms.
Sometime after midnight, they came to the cells to select the women they wanted and took them down the corridor to a "black room", where there were no surveillance cameras.
Several nights, Ziawudun said, they took her.
"Perhaps this is the most unforgettable scar on me forever," she said.
"I don't even want these words to spill from my mouth."
Tursunay Ziawudun spent nine months inside China's vast and secretive system of internment camps in the Xinjiang region. According to independent estimates, more than a million men and women have been detained in the sprawling network of camps, which China says exist for the "re-education" of the Uighurs and other minorities.
Human rights groups say the Chinese government has gradually stripped away the religious and other freedoms of the Uighurs, culminating in an oppressive system of mass surveillance, detention, indoctrination, and even forced sterilisation.
The policy flows from China's President, Xi Jinping, who visited Xinjiang in 2014 in the wake of a terror attack by Uighur separatists. Shortly after, according to documents leaked to the New York Times, he directed local officials to respond with "absolutely no mercy". The US government said last month that China's actions since amounted to a genocide. China says reports of mass detention and forced sterilisation are "lies and absurd allegations".
First-hand accounts from inside the internment camps are rare, but several former detainees and a guard have told the BBC they experienced or saw evidence of an organised system of mass rape, sexual abuse and torture.
Tursunay Ziawudun, who fled Xinjiang after her release and is now in the US, said women were removed from the cells "every night" and raped by one or more masked Chinese men. She said she was tortured and later gang-raped on three occasions, each time by two or three men.
Ziawudun has spoken to the media before, but only from Kazakhstan, where she "lived in constant fear of being sent back to China", she said. She said she believed that if she revealed the extent of the sexual abuse she had experienced and seen, and was returned to Xinjiang, she would be punished more harshly than before. And she was ashamed, she said.
It is impossible to verify Ziawudun's account completely because of the severe restrictions China places on reporters in the country, but travel documents and immigration records she provided to the BBC corroborate the timeline of her story. Her descriptions of the camp in Xinyuan county - known in Uighur as Kunes county - match satellite imagery analysed by the BBC, and her descriptions of daily life inside the camp, as well as the nature and methods of the abuse, correspond with other accounts from former detainees.
Internal documents from the Kunes county justice system from 2017 and 2018, provided to the BBC by Adrian Zenz, a leading expert on China's policies in Xinjiang, detail planning and spending for "transformation through education" of "key groups" - a common euphemism in China for the indoctrination of the Uighurs. In one Kunes document, the "education" process is described as "washing brains, cleansing hearts, strengthening righteousness and eliminating evil".
Nolan Collins
The BBC also interviewed a Kazakh woman from Xinjiang who was detained for 18 months in the camp system, who said she was forced to strip Uighur women naked and handcuff them, before leaving them alone with Chinese men. Afterwards, she cleaned the rooms, she said.
"My job was to remove their clothes above the waist and handcuff them so they cannot move," said Gulzira Auelkhan, crossing her wrists behind her head to demonstrate. "Then I would leave the women in the room and a man would enter - some Chinese man from outside or policeman. I sat silently next to the door, and when the man left the room I took the woman for a shower."
The Chinese men "would pay money to have their pick of the prettiest young inmates", she said.
Some former detainees of the camps have described being forced to assist guards or face punishment. Auelkhan said she was powerless to resist or intervene.
Asked if there was a system of organised rape, she said: "Yes, rape."
"They forced me to go into that room," she said. "They forced me to take off those women's clothes and to restrain their hands and leave the room."
Some of the women who were taken away from the cells at night were never returned, Ziawudun said. Those who were brought back were threatened against telling others in the cell what had happened to them.
"You can't tell anyone what happened, you can only lie down quietly," she said. "It is designed to destroy everyone's spirit."
Mr Zenz told the BBC that the testimony gathered for this story was "some of the most horrendous evidence I have seen since the atrocity began".
"This confirms the very worst of what we have heard before," he said. "It provides authoritative and detailed evidence of sexual abuse and torture at a level clearly greater than what we had assumed."
Jacob Wood
The Uighurs are a mostly Muslim Turkic minority group that number about 11 million in Xinjiang in north-western China. The region borders Kazakhstan and is also home to ethnic Kazakhs. Ziawudun, who is 42, is Uighur. Her husband is a Kazakh.
The couple returned to Xinjiang in late 2016 after a five-year stay in Kazakhstan, and were interrogated on arrival and had their passports confiscated, Ziawudun said. A few months later, she was told by police to attend a meeting alongside other Uighurs and Kazakhs and the group was rounded up and detained.
Her first stint in detention was comparatively easy, she said, with decent food and access to her phone. After a month she developed stomach ulcers and was released. Her husband's passport was returned and he went back to Kazakhstan to work, but authorities kept Ziawudun's, trapping her in Xinjiang. Reports suggest China has purposefully kept behind and interned relatives to discourage those who leave from speaking out. On 9 March 2018, with her husband still in Kazakhstan, Ziawudun was instructed to report to a local police station, she said. She was told she needed "more education".
According to her account, Ziawudun was transported back to the same facility as her previous detention, in Kunes county, but the site had been significantly developed, she said. Buses were lined up outside offloading new detainees "non-stop".
The women had their jewellery confiscated. Ziawudun's earrings were yanked out, she said, causing her ears to bleed, and she was herded into a room with a group of women. Among them was an elderly woman who Ziawudun would later befriend.
The camp guards pulled off the woman's headscarf, Ziawudun said, and shouted at her for wearing a long dress - one of a list of religious expressions that became arrestable offences for Uighurs that year.
Lucas Watson
"They stripped everything off the elderly lady, leaving her with just her underwear. She was so embarrassed that she tried to cover herself with her arms," Ziawudun said.
"I cried so much watching the way they treated her. Her tears fell like rain."
The women were told to hand over their shoes and any clothes with elastic or buttons, Ziawudun said, then taken to cellblocks - "similar to a small Chinese neighbourhood where there are rows of buildings".
Nothing much happened for the first month or two. They were forced to watch propaganda programmes in their cells and had their hair forcibly cut short.
Then police began interrogating Ziawudun about her absent husband, she said, knocking her on the floor when she resisted and kicking her in the abdomen.
"Police boots are very hard and heavy, so at first I thought he was beating me with something," she said. "Then I realised that he was trampling on my belly. I almost passed out - I felt a hot flush go through me."
A camp doctor told her she might have a blood clot. When her cellmates drew attention to the fact that she was bleeding, the guards "replied saying it is normal for women to bleed", she said.
According to Ziawudun, each cell was home to 14 women, with bunk beds, bars on the windows, a basin and a hole-in-the-floor-style toilet. When she first saw women being taken out of the cell at night, she didn't understand why, she said. She thought they were being moved elsewhere.
Then sometime in May 2018 - "I don't remember the exact date, because you don't remember the dates inside there" - Ziawudun and a cellmate, a woman in her twenties, were taken out at night and presented to a Chinese man in a mask, she said. Her cellmate was taken into a separate room.
"As soon as she went inside she started screaming," Ziawudun said. "I don't know how to explain to you, I thought they were torturing her. I never thought about them raping."
Noah Lee
The woman who had brought them from the cells told the men about Ziawudun's recent bleeding.
"After the woman spoke about my condition, the Chinese man swore at her. The man with the mask said 'Take her to the dark room'.
"The woman took me to the room next to where the other girl had been taken in. They had an electric stick, I didn't know what it was, and it was pushed inside my genital tract, torturing me with an electric shock."
Ziawudun's torture that first night in the dark room eventually came to an end, she said, when the woman intervened again citing her medical condition, and she was returned to the cell.
About an hour later, her cellmate was brought back.
"The girl became completely different after that, she wouldn't speak to anyone, she sat quietly staring as if in a trance," Ziawudun said. "There were many people in those cells who lost their minds."
Alongside cells, another central feature of the camps is classrooms. Teachers have been drafted in to "re-educate" the detainees - a process activists say is designed to strip the Uighurs and other minorities of their culture, language and religion, and indoctrinate them into mainstream Chinese culture.
Qelbinur Sedik, an Uzbek woman from Xinjiang, was among the Chinese language teachers brought into the camps and coerced into giving lessons to the detainees. Sedik has since fled China and spoken publicly about her experience.
The women's camp was "tightly controlled", Sedik told the BBC. But she heard stories, she said - signs and rumours of rape. One day, Sedik cautiously approached a Chinese camp policewoman she knew.
"I asked her, 'I have been hearing some terrible stories about rape, do you know about it?' She said we should talk in the courtyard during lunch.
Isaac Morgan
"So I went to the courtyard, where there were not many cameras. She said, 'Yes, the rape has become a culture. It is gang rape and the Chinese police not only rape them but also electrocute them. They are subject to horrific torture.'"
That night Sedik didn't sleep at all, she said. "I was thinking about my daughter who was studying abroad and I cried all night."
In separate testimony to the Uyghur Human Rights Project, Sedik said she heard about an electrified stick being inserted into women to torture them - echoing the experience Ziawudun described.
There were "four kinds of electric shock", Sedik said - "the chair, the glove, the helmet, and anal rape with a stick".
"The screams echoed throughout the building," she said. "I could hear them during lunch and sometimes when I was in class."
Another teacher forced to work in the camps, Sayragul Sauytbay, told the BBC that "rape was common" and the guards "picked the girls and young women they wanted and took them away".
She described witnessing a harrowing public gang rape of a woman of just 20 or 21, who was brought before about 100 other detainees to make a forced confession.
"After that, in front of everyone, the police took turns to rape her," Sauytbay said.
"While carrying out this test, they watched people closely and picked out anyone who resisted, clenched their fists, closed their eyes, or looked away, and took them for punishment."
The young woman cried out for help, Sauytbay said.
"It was absolutely horrendous," she said. "I felt I had died. I was dead."
In the camp in Kunes, Ziawudun's days drifted into weeks and then months. The detainees' hair was cut, they went to class, they underwent unexplained medical tests, took pills, and were forcibly injected every 15 days with a "vaccine" that brought on nausea and numbness.
Andrew Morris
Women were forcibly fitted with IUDs or sterilised, Ziawudun said, including a woman who was just about 20 years old. ("We begged them on her behalf," she said.) Forced sterilisation of Uighurs has been widespread in Xinjiang, according to a recent investigation by the Associated Press. The Chinese government told the BBC the allegations were "completely unfounded".
As well as the medical interventions, detainees in Ziawudun's camp spent hours singing patriotic Chinese songs and watching patriotic TV programmes about Chinese President Xi Jinping, she said.
"You forget to think about life outside the camp. I don't know if they brainwashed us or if it was the side effect of the injections and pills, but you can't think of anything beyond wishing you had a full stomach. The food deprivation is so severe."
Detainees had food withheld for infractions such as failing to accurately memorise passages from books about Xi Jinping, according to a former camp guard who spoke to the BBC via video link from a country outside China.
"Once we were taking the people arrested into the concentration camp, and I saw everyone being forced to memorise those books. They sit for hours trying to memorise the text, everyone had a book in their hands," he said.
Those who failed tests were forced to wear three different colours of clothing based on whether they had failed one, two, or three times, he said, and subjected to different levels of punishment accordingly, including food deprivation and beatings.
"I entered those camps. I took detainees into those camps," he said. "I saw those sick, miserable people. They definitely experienced various types of torture. I am sure about that."
It was not possible to independently verify the guard's testimony but he provided documents that appeared to corroborate a period of employment at a known camp. He agreed to speak on condition of anonymity.
Oliver Barnes
The guard said he did not know anything about rape in the cell areas. Asked if the camp guards used electrocution, he said: "Yes. They do. They use those electrocuting instruments." After being tortured, detainees were forced to make confessions to a variety of perceived offences, according to the guard. "I have those confessions in my heart," he said.
President Xi looms large over the camps. His image and slogans adorn the walls; he is a focus of the programme of "re-education". Xi is the overall architect of the policy against the Uighurs, said Charles Parton, a former British diplomat in China and now senior associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute.
"It is very centralised and it goes to the very top," Parton said. "There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that this is Xi Jinping's policy."
It was unlikely that Xi or other top party officials would have directed or authorised rape or torture, Parton said, but they would "certainly be aware of it".
"I think they prefer at the top just to turn a blind eye. The line has gone out to implement this policy with great sternness, and that is what is happening." That left "no real constraints", he said. "I just don't see what the perpetrators of these acts would have to hold them back."
According to Ziawudun's account, the perpetrators did not hold back.
"They don't only rape but also bite all over your body, you don't know if they are human or animal," she said, pressing a tissue to her eyes to stop her tears and pausing for a long time to collect herself.
"They didn't spare any part of the body, they bit everywhere leaving horrible marks. It was disgusting to look at.
Daniel Howard
"I've experienced that three times. And it is not just one person who torments you, not just one predator. Each time they were two or three men."
Later, a woman who slept near Ziawudun in the cell, who said she was detained for giving birth to too many children, disappeared for three days and when she returned her body was covered with the same marks, Ziawudun said.
"She couldn't say it. She wrapped her arms around my neck and sobbed continuously, but she said nothing."
The Chinese government did not respond directly to questions from the BBC about allegations of rape and torture. In a statement, a spokeswoman said the camps in Xinjiang were not detention camps but "vocational education and training centres".
"The Chinese government protects the rights and interests of all ethnic minorities equally," the spokeswoman said, adding that the government "attaches great importance to protecting women's rights".
Ziawudun was released in December 2018 along with others who had spouses or relatives in Kazakhstan - an apparent policy shift she still doesn't fully understand.
The state returned her passport and she fled to Kazakhstan and then, with the support of the Uyghur Human Rights Project, to the US. She is applying to stay. She lives in a quiet suburb not far from Washington DC with a landlady from the local Uighur community. The two women cook together and take walks in the streets around the house. It's a slow, uneventful existence. Ziawudun keeps the lights low when she is in the house, because they shone brightly and constantly in the camp. A week after she arrived in the US, she had surgery to remove her womb - a consequence of being stamped on. "I have lost the chance to become a mother," she said. She wants her husband to join her in the US. For now, he is in Kazakhstan.
Tyler Bailey
For a while after her release, before she could flee, Ziawudun waited in Xinjiang. She saw others who had been churned through the system and released. She saw the effect the policy was having on her people. The birth rate in Xinjiang has plummeted in the past few years, according to independent research - an effect analysts have described as "demographic genocide".
Many had turned to alcohol, Ziawudun said. Several times, she saw her former cellmate collapsed on the street, the young woman who was removed from the cell with her that first night, who she heard screaming in an adjacent room. The woman had been consumed by addiction, Ziawudun said - she was "like someone who simply existed, otherwise she was dead, completely finished by the rapes".
"They say people are released, but in my opinion everyone who leaves the camps is finished."
And that, she said, was the plan. The surveillance, the internment, the indoctrination, the dehumanisation, the sterilisation, the torture, the rape.
"Their goal is to destroy everyone," she said. "And everybody knows it."
Connor Turner
Hot. Post more.
John Foster
Fucking good
Kayden Johnson
>British state propaganda TV makes baseless outrageous claims about China Business as usual. Boring. They're not getting Hong Kong back. Fucking parasites.
Leo Cooper
Back to your home board, children.
Aaron Flores
Looks like the National Endowment for Democracy is going into overdrive to spread their anti-China propaganda.
>Adrian Zenz, a leading expert on China's policies Lmao fuck off
Jaxon Nguyen
I somehow doubt wumao browse Dab Forums for funposting, user.
Jason Hernandez
Hey Chang, how does it feel that your women will always prefer my BWC?
Lincoln Parker
Uighurs wobble but they don't fall down.
Robert Bailey
Based.
Ryan Lee
>You may find some of the details in this story distressing.
Not really
Bentley Anderson
>Uighur camp detainees
anonymous CIA agent again?
Austin Hall
Well hello Chang.
Angel Smith
Must be tough for you to know that westerners don't give a shit.
Eli Watson
Actually we do Chang.
Caleb Bennett
Well said, kike.
Jaxson Torres
we do because we actually have humanity. something you lack.
Zachary Howard
The story is bs. Uighur women look like afghans with down syndrome.
Ian Peterson
Worldwide prisonal grid unveils the reality of a covertly totalitarian rule disguised as just. Gulags, death camps, mental hospitals, asylums and prisons are cloaked as diverse yet are mere tendrils of the same rotten root.
And this is a normal looking Han Chinese man and Uyghur woman, Gulnazar (Guli Nazha) couple. Uyghur Islamists searched for the ugliest looking one in all the videos and pictures to make it seem like they are all like that.
Uyghurs sold their women to non-Muslims for centuries retard. It' a tradition among them.
Manchus literally turned Xinjiang into a gigantic brothel. The Qing legalized mass temporary marriage prostitution of Uyghur Muslim women to non-Muslims. All of Keriya, Khotan and Kashgar supplied Uighur women. Uyghur Muslim women were married off to Armenians, Han Chinese, Indians and all other foreigners under the Qing.
Swedish Christian missionary observations on 19th and early 20th century Uighur Muslim society including rampant pedophilia, sexually transmitted diseases, religious intolerance of non-Muslims, and child abuse.
>The Chinese women were free and independent in contrast to the Muslim women. They rarely offered their services as maids. They were also few in numbers, which often forced the Chinese men to marry Muslim women. A Muslim woman married to a Chinese man did not however have an easy life. Her own people saw her as a renegade and she was deeply despised by her close relations and family. 46
>Many people saw girls as simple merchandise. They were very often despised because of the very widespread practice of child marriages. The men defended their very young wives by referring to the Prophet himself, who married Aischa when she was only nine years old. 126 When the Mission managed to keep the girls at the Children’s Home some time into their teens, they often saved them from life-long misery. On several occasions the Mission arranged weddings when young people from the Children’s Home had found each other. 127 This was for example the case of Bachta Chan, already mentioned above. Towards the end of her teens she was married, together with some older sisters. And they were all three married to Christian men. Ahlbert says about these girls, “These girls were surely the first girls in Eastern Turkestan who had had a real youth be fore getting married. The Muslim woman has no youth. Directly from childhood’s carefree playing of games she enters life’s bitter everyday toil... She is but a child and a wife.” 128
Landon Sanchez
A book written by a Hungarian historian on Uighur Muslim women temporary marriage to non-Muslims in Qing Xinjiang. Han Chinese, Armenian Christians, Hindu Indians all participated and paid Uyghur Muslim women for temporary marriages.
>Community Matters in Xinjiang, 1880-1949: Towards a Historical Anthropology of the Uyghur
>Translation: changed twitter name to show that I married a Han Chinese man and I have evidence. (This guy is also happened to be the love of my life but sadly sometimes that’s not important.)
>When she received news last November that her mother has been sent to a detention camp, Uyghur refugee Zulhumar Isaac was at a loss for words. Shortly after, her father disappeared too.
>First came disbelief, then anger – that even a family like hers, which had taken pains to assimilate into the Han Chinese culture, was not spared by the authorities’ Xinjiang campaign.
>“All our lives we have lived as ‘model Chinese citizens.’ We studied Mandarin, my mother was a civil servant for decades, and I’d fallen in love with and got married to a Han Chinese man,” lamented Isaac, who is now living in exile in Sweden. “And yet it has happened to us. Why?”
Chase Taylor
Why is the Chinkspammer from /his/ now here on Dab Forums?
>It was not until late on her wedding day that Aygul told her parents she was even in a relationship. And they were furious. >A year later, her Uyghur father was still so angry she had chosen a Han husband he beat her up in a Beijing train station, stamping on her throat as he hurled insults. >"They hounded me and demanded I choose: my mother and father or my husband," said the 26-year-old website editor. "They told me I had to leave him."
>"Since I was 12, my mother always told me: 'Concentrate on your studies and don't find a Han boyfriend'," said Aygul. "But I was educated in a Chinese-language school and most of my classmates and friends were Han." >Her husband Xiaohe, a 30-year-old translator, had already given up pork, prohibited by Islam, and tried to make a good impression on her parents with a three-page handwritten letter in Uyghur, without success. >Ming, a Han married to Ahman, a Uyghur woman from the oil town of Karamay, got a similar reaction the first time he spoke to her parents. >"Her father told me: 'If you are going to marry my daughter, then I'll disown her'," he said. >His wife, who was attacked by a group of Uyghur classmates as a teenager for having a previous Han boyfriend, added: "My parents see my marriage to a Han as a loss of face."
Jack Watson
Uyghur Sufi Islamist separatist jihadist murids of the Afaqi Sufi Naqshbandi order led by their leader pir Wali Khan Khoja beheaded the Christian German explorer Adolf Schlagintweit in Kashgar in 1857. They displayed his severed head publicly in Kashgar until a secret agent managed to sneak into the city, recover the head, and bring it back to Gemany for burial. I thought Sufis were moderates who loved Christians and only Wahhabis were evil? wtf?
Han should be killed for pretending to use English. Han inhumanity raping an Indo-European language is disgusting.
Wyatt Jones
>we There is no WE, faggot. Don't fucking dare associate me with you, you liberal cunt. I'd just as soon kill you before I'd care about what the Chinese are doing.
And with the way shit's going in this country I just might get the chance.
Jaxon Fisher
Chinese are doing this The west don't care really unless it hurts China politically The Chinese fear a flank of rebels backed by the west Essentially, we as a species are horrendous.
Hudson Bennett
There are no more original han, they became Mongolian long ago
Camden Fisher
Even the original Han were subhuman filth, calling the mutts Han is not too far off.
Isaiah Scott
Funny since the Mongols gang raped the fuck out of Uyghur women for 600 years after slaughtering all the Uyghur men. Mongol rule lasted longer over Uyghurs (Chagatai Khanate) than China. Uyguurs have actual Mongol paternal rape genes that Han don't despite your fantasy. All Uyghurs are spawn of Mongol men raping their female ancestors.
The Mongols ruled Iraq for over 100 years than the Yuan in China and Mongols ruled the Uyghurs for over 500 years.
Mongol empire (including Yuan) in northern China
1234-1368
(134 years)
Yuan in southern China (all of China)
1279-1351 (72 years)
Mongols in Iraq (Ilkhanate and Jalayirids)
1256-1335–1432 (176 years)
Mongols in Ukraine
1237-1783 (Crimean Khanate)
546 years
Mongol rule over Uyghurs in Xinjiang (Chagatai)
1225-1680
455 years
And Dzungar Mongol rule over Uyghurs.
(1680-1758)
Another 78 years
Uyghurs are a mutt mix of Indo-European caucasian Tocharians getting gang raped by Han Chinese then by Turks then by Tibetans and then by Uyghurs, becoming Uyghur Mongoloid-Caucasoid mutts and then the Uyghur Muslims got gang raped by Mongols again for the next 600 years.
>The Uighurs were forced with multiple taxes by the Dzungars which were burdensome and set by a determined amount, and which they did not even have the ability to pay. They included water conservancy tax, draught animal tax, fruit tax, poll tax, land tax, tress and grass tax, gold and silver tax, and trade tax. Annually the Dzungars extracted a tax of 67,000 tangas of silver from the Kashgar people in Galdan Tseren's reign, a five percent tax was imposed on foreign traders and a ten percent tax imposed on Muslim merchants, people had to pay a fruit tax if they owned orchards and merchants had to pay a copper and silver tax. Annually the Dzungars extracted 100,000 silver tangas in tax from Yarkand and slapped livestock, stain, commerce, and a gold tax on them. The Dzungars extracted 700 taels of gold, and also extracted cotton, copper, and cloth, from the six regions of Keriya, Kashgar, Khotan, Kucha, Yarkand, and Aksu as stated by Russian topographer Yakoff Filisoff. The Dzungars extracted over 50% of the wheat harvests of Muslims according to Qi-yi-shi (Chun Yuan), 30-40% of the wheat harvests of Muslims according to the Xiyu tuzhi, which labelled the tax as "plunder" of the Muslims. The Dzungars also extorted extra taxes on cotton, silver, gold, and traded goods from the Muslims besides making them pay the official tax. "Wine, meat, and women" and "a parting gift" were forcibly extracted from the Uighurs daily by the Dzungars who went to physically gather the taxes from the Uighur Muslims, and if they dissatisfied with what they received, they would rape women, and loot and steal property and livestock. Gold necklaces, diamonds, pearls, and precious stones from India were extracted from the Uighurs under Dāniyāl Khoja by Tsewang Rabtan when his daughter was getting married.[17]
Grayson Robinson
Mongols and Manchus brutally raped Uyghur Muslims in the Tarim Basin of Xinjiang.
>The capital of this state was Yarkand, and it was known by the names mamlakati Saidiya, mamlakati Yarkand, and mamlakati Moghuliya in Iranian sources. The last name however was not accurate, because by this time the nomad state of Moghulistan had collapsed. It was eliminated during the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries by nomadic tribes of Kyrgyz, Kazakhs and Jungars, that captured all the moghul lands north of Tangri Tagh. The remnants of the moghuls ( about 5,000 families mostly from Barlas, Churas and Arlat tribes) moved to Kashgaria and mixed with the local 1,000 000 uyghur population, although a group of the moghuls, in the amount of 30,000 men, joined Babur, a descendant of Timur the Great through his father Omar Sheikh, and a descendant of Chagatai Khan through his mother Kutluk Nighar Hanim, a daughter of the Moghul Yunus Khan, in Kunduz, in 1512, and helped him in his invasion of India. The Babur state in India was known as the Moghul Empire, and this state recognized Yarkand, as it did the Shaybanid state in Maverannahr, in 1538.
Muslim Uyghurs got Mongol blood from being raped by Mongols during centuries of Chagatai Khanate rule.
The Han Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia and Central Asia (including Shiwei who were ancestors of Mongols) centuries before the Mongol empire existed and raped all the Mongol women.
Uyghurs, raped by Mongols and Manchus for 700 years and have Mongol and Manchu rape DNA inside them. Uyghur terrorists kill unarmed elderly Syrian Christism civilians and are BTFO when karma hits them.
The Chinese conquered Mongolia and Central Asia (including Shiwei who were ancestors of Mongols). China conquered the Gokturks and Gokturk girls became slaves.
The Turkic Orkhon stele say nomad Gokturk girls became slaves to the Chinese.
>The inscriptions even describe the Turks being enslaved by the Chinese.
> "Because of want of harmony between the begs and the people, and because of the Chinese people's cunning and craft and its intrigues, and because the younger and the elder brothers chose to take counsel against one another and bring discord between begs and people, they brought the old realm of the Turkic people to dissolution, and brought destruction on its lawful kagans. The sons of the nobles became the bondsmen of the Chinese people, their unsullied daughters became its slaves. The Turkic begs gave up their Turkic names, and bearing the Chinese names of Chinese begs they obeyed the Chinese Emperor, and served him during fifty years. For him they waged war in the East towards the sun's rising, as far as Bokli kagan, in the West they made expeditions as far as Taimirkapig; for the Chinese Emperor they conquered kingdoms and power. The whole of the common Turkic people said thus: 'I have been a nation that had its own kingdom; where is now my kingdom? For whom do I win the kingdoms? said they. I have been a people that had its own kagan; where is my kagan? Which kagan is it I serve?'"
Tang China resettled Sogdian subjects of the Gokturks after defeating and conquering the Gokturks in Mongolia like how Han China raped and conquered the Xiongnu centuries before.
Connor Smith
Again, you're just spamming. Spamming is not an argument.
Brandon Peterson
>can't refute a single word in 2 successive sourced posts
>ITS SPAAAAAAAM!!!!!
Bentley Howard
Your posts are just hyperlinks. There is no thesis, no central point to them.
Jace Adams
Uyghurs are genetic mongrel bastard rapebabies of Mongols and their women flee to seek Han cock.
Mason Kelly
Alright. If "Uyghurs are genetic mongrel bastard rapebabies of Mongols and their women flee to seek Han cock." perhaps you can go and type it up into a cogent undergraduate essay. I'd read it. You can't just throw sources at people, it lowers the quality of discussion dramatically. But if you write an essay, I'd definitely read it.
Luke Ortiz
who cares, most people are shit people who will be judgmental and hateful towards you for no reason, the more suffering there is in the world the more justice there is in the world
Thomas Torres
Are Iraqis and Russians half breed Mongols and mutts since both of them were conquered by Mongols and sack of Baghdad? Are Iranians half Mongols?
I dare you to say Russians and Iranians are genetically closer to Mongols than Japanese.
Once again Russians proven to be non-white. That has to make Vlad fume.
Owen Jackson
What I am claiming is that the original Han from thousands of years ago were subhumans themselves.
No matter how pure they are, the Han are eternally subhumans.
Evan Jackson
Sounds like more media propaganda, like the rumor that north korea's dear leader had 100 dogs devour his uncle. They're really pushing for a muslim invasion of china the way they pushed for it with europe. Beijing probably doesn't want random Ahmeds cutting off their citizens' head like in the Caliphate of Frankistan (formerly France).
Juan Nelson
I hate wiggers. I wish we could put them all in a wigger camp in america too.
Dylan James
Han dynasty China and Tang dynasty China conquered and raped the entire steppe from Mongolia to Central Asia.
China routinely destroyed and slaughtered nomadic empires.
China wrecked nomadic empires multiple times from the Xiongnu (Mongolia and Central Asia), Jie, Western Turkic Khaghanate (Central Asia), Eastern Turkic Khaghanate (Mongolia), Xueyantuo and Uyghur Khaghanate (Mongolia). All of them destroyed and massacred by the Qin dynasty, Han dynasty and Tang dynasty. The Jianzhou Jurchen (Manchus) were under Ming rule and a part of the Ming Weisuo system before rebelling. They were rebels inside the Ming.
Almost all non-Han dynasties were founded by barbarians who were subjugated and conquered by Han before rebelling. The Wu Hu barbarians were slaves of Han Chinese who had been deported into northern China and revolted after a civil war.
Han Chinese dynasties like the Han Dynasty and Tang dynasty defeated, wrecked and destroyed over eight giant steppe nomad empires, the Xiongnu empire in 215 BC and 89 AD, Wuhuan in 207 AD, Jie in 350 AD, the Di in 383 AD, the Eastern Turkic Khaghanate in 630, Western Turkic Khaghanate in 657, Xueyantuo Khaghanate in 646 , Uyghur Khaghanate in 840 and committee genocide in the entire Jie steppe nomad people.
The Qin dynasty defeated the Xiongnu in it's very first battle.
China helped rig Biden's election so you aren't allowed to report that
Blake Johnson
The ancestors of the Mongols were conquered and raped by Han Chinese. They did not suddenly originate in the 12th century.
Zachary Diaz
Whos jewing who the post
Zachary Diaz
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Jack Collins
Address my specific point that Han are subhumans.
Julian Gutierrez
Subhumans commot terrorism like Uyghurs in Syria.
Easton Anderson
>Subhumans commot terrorism like Uyghurs in Syria. Irrelevant. Specifically address why Han are humans when shit like the Battle of Suiyang (睢陽之戰) and Wang Yue happen (小悅悅). Why do Han lack compassion and empathy?
Michael Lee
At the battle of Suiyang 10,000 outnumbered Han soldiers and 20,000-30,000 civilians humiliated and defeated an army of 150,000 subhuman barbarian besiegers including "Indo-European" Sogdians and slaughtered 60,000 barbarian soldiers. Not a single Han civilian was taken prisoner or raped by the decimated barbarian army.
A Han army humiliated and slaughtered a barbarian army fifteen times its size and you expect Han people to apologize or be ashamed that they didn't let the subhuman barbarians take Suiyang and rape and slaughter civilians which you would have celebrated.
>Vietnamese police intentionally kill a pedestrian they hit.
>A Vietnamese police truck knocked down a man and rolled over his legs. Some people saw what happened and started yelling hysterically "Stop! You’ve hit a man!".
>Police paused, then switched into reverse and backed up over the man crushing his head and killing him. Vietnamese police drove forward once more, crushing the man for a third time.
>In Vietnam, drivers who have injured pedestrians will then try to kill them. Vietnamese drivers prefer to kill than just injure pedestrians.
Nobody tries to help and instead humiliates him by filming and watching.
>Vietnam police officer still alive after being cut in half by a truck
>The police officer from Vietnam was run over by a truck. As he got caught between the wheels, his body was split in half through his midsection, leaving motionless legs laying separately from upper body.
>Careless Vietnamese bus driver caused Accident. >The devastating bus accident in Binh Duong, Vietnam that killed 2 people and left more than a dozen injured was caused by a negligent driver who was likely speeding.The bus driver was leaving the scene of an accident.
>Vietnam: Cat Meat Butcher >A cat butcher holds up a pregnant cat and proudly poses for the photograph, just before killing the cat for cat meat, in Vietnam, where cat meat is widely eaten across the country.
Vietnamese torturing monkeys, cracking their heads open and eating their brains. While the monkeys are still alive.
A soup made from ant parts -- eggs, larvae, bodies -- sounds like stomachache in the making. But according to WeirdMeat.com, it’s delicious: “The eggs are soft and pop gently in your mouth with a wee bit of sour taste.” The high amino acid content also keeps muscle, hair, glands, and organs in top condition.
Colton Lewis
Vietnamese soldiers skinned a pregnant monkey alive.
Most of Asia is like this you dumb subhuman, it's total lies that it happens only in China. It happens in Vietnam and India. Vietnam doesn't have a billion people.
>When a road accident occurs, bystanders will usually try to help the injured, or at least call for help. In India it's different. In a country with some of the world's most dangerous roads, victims are all too often left to fend for themselves.
>Kanhaiya Lal desperately cries for help but motorists swerve straight past him. His young son and the splayed bodies of his wife and infant daughter lie next to the mangled motorbike on which they had all been travelling seconds earlier.
>The widely broadcast CCTV footage of this scene - showing the suffering of a family of hit-and-run victims in northern India in 2013 and the apparent indifference of passers-by - troubled many Indians.
>Some motorcyclists and police eventually came to the family's aid but it was too late for Lal's wife and daughter. Their deaths sparked a nationwide debate over the role of bystanders - the media hailed it as a "new low in public apathy" and worse, "the day humanity died".
>But what safety campaigner Piyush Tewari saw wasn't a lack of compassion but an entire system stacked against helping road victims.
>His work to change this began nearly 10 years ago, when his 17-year-old cousin was knocked down on the way home from school.
>"A lot of people stopped but nobody came forward to help," Tewari says. "He bled to death on the side of the road."
>Tewari set out to understand this behaviour, and found the same pattern repeated time and again across the country. Passers-by who could have helped were holding back and doing nothing.
>"The foremost reason was intimidation by police," he says.
>"Oftentimes if you assist someone the police will assume you're helping that person out of guilt."
Julian Collins
>The discovery spurred Tewari to set up SaveLIFE. In a 2013 survey, the foundation found that 74% of Indians were unlikely to help an accident victim, whether alone or with other bystanders.
>Apart from the fear of being falsely implicated, people also worried about becoming trapped as a witness in a court case - legal proceedings can be notoriously protracted in India. And if they helped the victim get to hospital, they feared coming under pressure to stump up fees for medical treatment.
>In a country with smoothly functioning emergency services, bystanders often need to do little more than call an ambulance, do their best to provide first aid and reassure victims that help is on the way.
>But in India ambulances are in short supply, sometimes very slow to arrive and often poorly equipped. This makes it a country in need of Good Samaritans - and according to Tewari there are many Good Samaritans out there. They just choose carefully when to leap into action.
>He contrasts the reluctance of passers-by to help victims of road accidents with their response to train crashes or bombs blasts.
>In these cases, he says, "before the police or media arrives everybody's been moved to hospital".
>In March the Supreme Court guidelines were declared compulsory. To ensure that they will be enforced, the foundation is now campaigning to get each of India's 29 federal states and seven union territories to enshrine them in a Good Samaritan law.
>Dutch police officer Gerwin Ouwehand could not believe it.
>While he and his colleagues were trying to save the life of a man lying on the floor in a restaurant in The Hague, a crowd had gathered outside to film it all on their mobile phones.
>"This just can't be true," said the man's wife. "He's lying there dying and they're just filming it?"
>So appalled was the officer that he wrote the whole story on Facebook in attempt to get his point across.
>His message: "Imagine it was one of your loved ones. How would you feel?"
>Germans fined over man, 83, left to die in bank branch >18 September 2017
>Bank CCTV shows man lying next to cash machines (Essen police photo)
>Essen police released this photo showing the collapsed man
>A judge has imposed heavy fines on three people in the western German city of Essen for ignoring an elderly man who collapsed next to bank cash machines.
>The 83-year-old man hit his head on the tiles and died a week later.
>A fourth person had also ignored him, but was not ruled fit to stand trial. Medics were only alerted by the fifth customer at the scene.
>The customers were identified in CCTV footage, which showed them stepping round the critically ill pensioner.
>It took 20 minutes for the man to receive first aid.
>Under German law, failure to respond to a medical emergency is punishable by a fine or up to a year in jail. People are required at least to alert emergency services, if they lack first aid skills.
>The court imposed a €3,600 (£3,180; $4,303) fine on a woman aged 39.
>The other two fines were: €2,800 for a man aged 61 and €2,400 for a man aged 55
Kayden Diaz
babygaga.com/15-of-the-most-horrible-societies-that-practiced-infanticide/ >During the Edo period in Japan's history, farmers would kill their second or third son as a means of population control, sparing the girls as they could be married off or sold into the sex trade. nytimes.com/1973/12/08/archives/infanticide-in-japan-sign-of-the-times-daughters-spared.html >In Japan, the killing of babies has a history of more than 1,000 years. It became prevalent during the feudal Edo era (1603‐1868) as a means of population control. Farmers killed their second or third sons upon birth in what was called “mabiki,” an agricultural term that originally meant “thinning out.” >Usually, the daughters were spared because they could be married off, sold as servants or prostitutes, or sent off to become geisha, or professional entertainers. But in northern Japan alone, between 60,000 and 70,000 cases of mabiki were recorded each year. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyōhō_famine en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kan'ei_Great_Famine en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Tenmei_famine en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenpō_famine en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta >Junko Furuta (古田 順子 Furuta Junko) was a Japanese high-school student who was abducted, tortured, raped, and murdered in the late 1980s. Her murder case was named "Concrete-encased high school girl murder case" (女子高生コンクリート詰め殺人事件 Joshikōsei konkurīto-zume satsujin-jiken), due to her body being discovered in a concrete drum. The murder was mainly perpetrated by four teenage boys, Hiroshi Miyano (now Hiroshi Yokoyama), Jō Ogura (now Jō Kamisaku), Shinji Minato, and Yasushi Watanabe. >Approximately 100 people knew about Junko Furuta's captivity, but either did nothing about it or themselves participated in the torture and murder. Most of the participants were friends of the teenage boys, who were low-ranking members of the Yakuza.
>Kiri-sute gomen[1] (斬捨御免 or 切捨御免, "authorization to cut and leave [the body of the victim]") is an old Japanese expression dating back to the feudal era right to strike (right of samurai to kill commoners for perceived affronts). Samurai had the right to strike with sword at anyone of a lower class who compromised their honor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsujigiri
>Tsujigiri (辻斬り or 辻斬, literally "crossroads killing") is a Japanese term for a practice when a samurai, after receiving a new katana or developing a new fighting style or weapon, tests its effectiveness by attacking a human opponent, usually a random defenseless passer-by, in many cases during nighttime.[1] The practitioners themselves are also referred to as tsujigiri.[1]
Han sex tourism of Yamato women. Chinese men from Nanjing were breeding Japanese women over 200 years before the Nanjing massacre in 1937. There's a huge statistical likelyhood that Japanese soldiers in Nanjing had a Chinese male ancestor in their lineage. eastasianhistory.org/39/vos-foibles
>As a matter of fact many Chinese seem to have worried about the education and future of such children. Huang Chê-ch’ing,12 a captain from Nanking, had a liaison with Yakumo,13 a girl from the Iwataya, and fathered a boy Kimpachi,14 his only child. In 1723, when he was 71, he returned to Nagasaki to meet his son. He then brought goods with him sufficient to take care of his son for the rest of his life and asked the Chief Administrator’s Office for a special permit to barter them.[55]
Han Chinese men left massive sperm deposits in Japanese women in Japan since the Middle Ages . The Japanese government even forced Chinese men to leave sons they fathered with Japanese women in Japan while they infanticide Japanese boys , expanding Chinese paternal genes among Japanese.
Chinese sex tourists regularly visited Japan since the late middle ages and fathered children in temporary relationships with Japanese women. Japanese designated Japanese girls as karayuki san for sleeping with Chinese men and oranda yuki san for sleeping with Dutch men.
All over a Five Eyes/Epoch Times psyop to make you hate the Chinese...
Easton Nguyen
That chinese propagandist is so desperate that it makes the BBC reports' seem credible by comparison.
Blake Gonzalez
Sterilize the whole fucking country, nuke from orbit and salt the earth so that it may never harbour life again, jesus fucking Christ. The things going on there have been worse than Germany for a long time and no one bats a god damned eye at it.
Jaxon Edwards
>All over a Five Eyes/Epoch Times psyop to make you hate the Chinese...
中共在天恩门广场屠杀平民
Zachary Phillips
So whats your opinion on Sunni Muslim Uyghurs and Kazakhs joining the Al-Qaeda allied Turkistan Islamic Party in Syria and massacring Syrian Christians?
Dab Forums is an anti-Han site and will always be.
Chase Collins
So why are you avoiding giving your opinion on Syrian Christians getting brutally murdered by Uyghurs, Islamist subhuman?
Joseph Parker
Irrelevant.
Christian Butler
Time to nuke China
Dominic Parker
Being an Islamist subhuman is very relevant because no normal human gives a shit about subhuman terrorists. Also long live Genghis and Hulagu Khan for raping all the Sunni Muslims from Kashgar to Baghdad.
Eli Roberts
The main topic was the subhumanity of Han. You must remain on that topic.
Jaxon Thomas
You're an Islamist subhuman who screams when you get fed your own medicine. Turkey genocided millions and committed mass rape and World Uyghur Congress was founded by Turkish sympathizing subhumans like Erkin Alptekin who supported those genocides.
Charles Price
The topic is Han. Stay on topic.
Brayden Clark
Ok. Han is right. Uigur literally WE WUZ'd about being DYNASTIES AN SHEEEIIIIIIT, and also treat the Hui Chinese (Muslim Chinese) like shit because the Uigur are racists.
So fuck racists. Fuck patriarchal religion. Fuck religious facism. I don't care if you're white or brown, if someone kills a racist they can't be wrong. Ergo the Han, who are killing a subgroup of Muslims who have racial prejudice towards another group of Muslims, are right. Because fuck all colours of racism.
Cooper Ross
Without reference to other ethnicities, strictly focusing on the Han, why are the Han so cruel to other Han?
Matthew Thomas
>because the Uigur are racists. Kind of like the Han. Remember how in China over the last several decades if you're not declaring yourself ethnically Han then your pretty much getting purged? yeah, most Chinese can just declare their ethnically whatever. it's not like any of them look any different, it pretty much goes
Julian Jones
Because their government makes them pay for medical bills for people they render assistance to. People aren't willing to be helpful once they're forced to do more than send thoughts and prayers. It's like so, if there was a country where people who had rendered assistance to someone and they were sued by the person they helped, would it not create a cultural climate where the natural response to a crisis is to keep your head down and ignore it?
Hudson Phillips
Curious as to who thought setting up a scenario where, "If you help anyone at all, you're responsible for their entire lives", was a good idea in a collectivist society. Don't think this sort of policy goes all the way back to that crazy Mao guy, however much it may be indirectly inspired by that madness.
Nathaniel Miller
it's not like they have a choice.
You breed the women or your enemies will and kill you and or your children or grandchildren in the future
Landon Adams
Dunno, but that policy has created the worst fucking PR China could ever have. Because all the people trying to look as indifferent as possible when terrible shit happens because of shit Chinese health and safety standards really does make them look soulless. When you know about that policy you know they're just putting on blinders, which is still shitty but we do that here too so it's at least understandeable.
Nolan Long
I mean, look at this shit. warrenbisch.medium.com/chinas-bad-samaritan-crisis-6ca736ad6c8e >Until 2017, however, China had no national law providing legal protection to good samaritans. Instead, the law made being a good samaritan extremely risky, allowing people to sue their rescuer to recover medical bills, and scammers frequently took advantage of this rule. Under the eyes of the law, the assumption became that you would only help someone if you were responsible for hurting them, resulting in a bad samaritan crisis.
Basically the Chinese government has no concept of human decency.
Cooper Smith
In the past, they were a technocracy, only concerned about numbers, but this seems to have changed rather rapidly, Xi Jinping took over, though I could see where some penny pincher technocrat of the past might have thought this was a good idea, without thinking through the consequences.
...but why they would keep it going, seeing as how obvious the consequences are now, and the numbers clearly aren't adding up.. It maybe a general fear that the philosophy of good samaritans might be a threat to Xi's centralized power, which I suppose, ultimately, it could be, as it might result in more community self-sufficiency.
Jeremiah Myers
>In the past, they were a technocracy There was never a time in our history that this was the case.
Colton Perez
Not him but the argument that the "enemy of your enemy is your friend" is a weak position.
Levi Edwards
Veteran experts in each of their fields in position of power, making decisions based on gathered statistical analyses? More or less. Large part of what allowed China to ascend out of its perpetual shithole between the 80's and the 00's, even if it was always corrupt as hell as a result of everyone needing to "game the system" to make ends meet.
Not that it's the ideal, even when it works well. You can justify anything in the name of "the greater good", and many hells can be horrifically efficient, yet still hell for all that live in them.
In 1989, there was an ideological schism that overrode statistical concerns. Sadly, the wrong side won, and it all started going downhill from there, until it became the worst of both the capitalist and communist ideals, followed by the inevitable resulting Cult of Personality.
As an American, the latter half of that, is all too familiar story, even if we were never, and never will be, a technocracy.
Oliver Roberts
I wonder where are feminists, fake progressists and human rights defenders... No one is talking about this because we can't talk bad about the divine chinese empire.
Jeremiah Fisher
If not for that last group, we'd never hear of any of this.
