Anti-homeless harassment

If they don't turn the music back on this time with Never Gonna Give You Up I've lost faith in humanity

>Then leave CA
CA is warm most of the time so they won't likely do that. However, the productive, educated progressive citizens will, and are moving to the halfway decent red States (excluding ofc the irredeemable Southern ones like LA, MS, AL, WV, KY, MO and OK). Forces beyond your capacity to conceive are subsidising the move so we can take back this great Nation from the insular, redneck, inbred cave men. Get used to it, Cletus, you'se gonna be blue, lol!

Capitalism can only exists with winners and losers. Not all can prosper in capitalism. That is just how that system of government works.

Then we must make you hate the losers of capitalism because to sympathize with them is to question the system.

>Pretty dank, fuck homeless

Ha ha, This pos will know one day.

>That is just how that system of government works
The dirty little secret the Repukelicants fail to acknowledge about that is there is nowhere in the US Constitution that demands the US operate under an exploitative Capitalist economic system instead of a Socialist or even *gasp* Communist economic system where those that actually produce the goods and services own that means of production instead of being considered a disposable commodity by "owners." Nowhere. In. The. Constitution. Suck it up Repukelicants, you lose again.

>Repukelicants
>exploitative Capitalist economic system
>Socialist or even *gasp* Communist economic system
>Nowhere. In. The. Constitution. Suck it up Repukelicants, you lose again.
Cringe

(or really really good bait)

>cringe
>bait
OK, where in the US Constitution does it demand the US operate under a Capitalist economic system that denies all but a handful of oligarch owners "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" declared to be a self evident right in the Declaration of Independence? I'll wait until hell freezes over for you to point it out and last time I talked to Satan he said the temp was still hovering @ that of the core of the sun.

Why would I take a walking meme (a communist in the year 2021) seriously and bother replying?

You're cringe.

I think you replied to the wrong post there, little buddy.

>Why would I take a walking meme (a communist in the year 2021) seriously and bother replying?
Have you stopped and asked yourself whether or not you actually have a good argument for capitalism? If someone stopped you right now and asked you to write an essay on why capitalism is the only viable economic system and why socialism, social democracy or communism are all bad, would you even know what to say? The common thread between all of you shit-posters is that you're very confident in all of your helicopter memes and ra-ra hang the commie rhetoric but when it comes down to it you know absolutely nothing about the systems you defend nor the systems you attack. You just kind of repeat what you hear online because its a very comfortable, default position.

>would you even know what to say?
Yes. Capitalism works every single time i gets tried and I know communism fails every single time it gets tried.

What else is there? Its not complicated. Anyone who is an unironic communist in the year 1990+31 is an absolute fucking meme.

>Capitalism works every single time
What do you mean by "works"? What metric are we using to determine whether or not something works? Works for who?

>communism fails every single time it gets tried
Do you have any examples? Why does it fail?

>What else is there? Its not complicated
It is quite complicated. You don't think its complicated because you don't know anything about how these economic systems works. You've been told "capitalism good communism bad" and you repeat that because its easy and intuitive but if I asked you to explain why you'd have no idea. I'm not trying to convince you to be a communist. I'm not a communist. I'm just curious if you've based your advocacy for capitalism on a fundamental understanding or if you just knee-jerk defend it because that's what you've been taught. At this point, it really seems as though you don't really know anything about this hill you're so willing to die on.

>It is quite complicated
Its not.

>Do you have any examples?
Every single time it has been tried

>Why does it fail?
Its a shit system

You fucking meme.

>Pretty dank, fuck homeless
Guessing you're a rightie, with your utter lack of human empathy and whatnot. Being poor/homeless isn't some moral failure like you and your uncle Billy Bob think it is.

>Its not.
Then explain it.

>Every single time it has been tried
Give some examples. Where has it been tried? Why did it fail?

>Its a shit system
Explain why. Do you even know? How is it you know absolutely nothing about the positions you advocate for?

>What metric are we using to determine whether or not something works?
life expectancy, standard of living, poverty rates, human rights, civil rights

Literally any metric you wish with the exception of
>but they get free university and free healthcare!

>life expectancy, standard of living, poverty rates, human rights, civil rights
How are these things attributed to capitalism? Life expectancy and standard of living increases with time regardless of the economic system - that's how technology and human progress works. I notice that you can't answer even a basic question about this fundamental belief you have. I'm not going to press any further with you because you clearly don't have the answer to anything I'm asking you. I just encourage you to go back to the drawing board and research some of your opinions. It should embarrass you that you're completely incapable of logically defending the economic systems you've dedicated yourself to believing in.

>How are these things attributed to capitalism?
Compare them between capitalist and communist countries.

> notice that you can't answer even a basic question about this fundamental belief you have. I'm not going to press any further with you because you clearly don't have the answer to anything I'm asking you. I just encourage you to go back to the drawing board and research some of your opinions. It should embarrass you that you're completely incapable of logically defending the economic systems you've dedicated yourself to believing in.
Delicious seethe.

It is a choice. They chose to be lazy, you faggot.

>CA is warm most of the time
not San Francisco where a lot of the tech shit is

>not knowing that moving to red states makes people vote Red
Ted Cruz only beat Beto because of Cali transplants.

>(excluding ofc the irredeemable Southern ones like LA, MS, AL, WV, KY, MO and OK).
KY and MO both have better education systems than California
usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/prek-12

He has no idea what the weather in Cali is
>because he isnt American

>Compare them between capitalist and communist countries.
You're the one who provided these examples as proof of capitalism's worth over socialism or communism. Do you have the answer? How is life expectancy or standard or living exclusively linked to capitalism? How do you rectify your belief with the fact that the USSR industrialized their entire country from a poor, feudal-era farming wasteland into a world super power in less than a century? Explain your position, user. If you're that confident then you'll easily be able to shut me down.

>Delicious seethe.
Exasperating people with your ignorance shouldn't be a point of pride for you, user.

It literally says the USA can't be socialist or communist in the 13th amendment of the constitution.

>OK, where in the US Constitution does it demand the US operate under a Capitalist economic system
The 13th amendment

>Have you stopped and asked yourself whether or not you actually have a good argument for capitalism? If someone stopped you right now and asked you to write an essay on why capitalism is the only viable economic system and why socialism, social democracy or communism are all bad, would you even know what to say?
I like not starving and I like not being put in a death camp where I labor until I die.

>with your utter lack of human empathy and whatnot.
homeless aren't humans

Hate to burst your bubble Cletus, but people who are different from you are actually still people. And you proved my point that you have 0 human empathy. Put the meth pipe down for a minute or two and you might be able to comprehend that.

>Tries to defend communism
>cites Russia xD

>Life expectancy 1990
USSR: 68
USA: 75
macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/life-
macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy

A meme, I tell you the man is a walking meme!

>Hate to burst your bubble Cletus, but people who are different from you are actually still people. And you proved my point that you have 0 human empathy. Put the meth pipe down for a minute or two and you might be able to comprehend that.
[X] Cringe

Imagine being such a fucking retard that thinks that most homeless just doesn't choose that lifestyle

I'm not the one with the meth pipe, the homeless who are forced to listen to barney are

Not an argument

Correct. Cringe is not an argument. So stop posting cringe.

>quit shilling
It's good to know that you lack self-awareness in addition to human empathy.

it is a little of both, after being turned down by every minimum wage job in town and being mentally ill or a drug addict, it is human to stop trying

>Tries to defend communism
I'm not defending communism. I'm not a communist. I'm asking you specifically how capitalism is the sole driver for industrialization and standard of living when a self-proclaimed communist country, in the 20th century, acquired almost the same level of world dominance as the U.S.?

>A meme, I tell you the man is a walking meme!
Lets try this again. Simply comparing two statistics isn't an argument. You have to explain how the life expectancy is explicitly tied to the economic system. Its called correlation vs. causation. Do you know what that is? If you do, try using it.

You've been completely brainwashed by conservative meritocracy propaganda. You've been raised to think that the amount of money you make is inherent to the value you have as a human - as if the richer you are, the better person you are. This ignores the economic and statistical reality that countries with more robust welfare systems have exponentially less poverty and exponentially more class mobility than the U.S. Its an economic fact that putting financial stop-gaps in place that prevent people from hitting rock bottom makes it easier for those individuals to work their way back up. If what you were saying was correct then literally everyone in Nordic countries who receive much, much higher public assistance to the government would all just stop working and leech off of the system. The exact opposite is true. More people are employed there, its easier to start a business, they have lower rates of recidivism, drug use, crime rates, homelessness AND the people who are poor there are statistically more likely to be able to raise their income status. Just admit - for people like you, your opinions have nothing to do with economics. You just despise poor people as a defense mechanism to validate your own worth. It makes you feel better as a person to be more successful than others and by helping them improve their lives you would have to admit that it isn't solely the quality of your character and work ethic that made you who you are. Watching a homeless person get better and make more money than you would be a crushing blow to your ego so you've centered your entire worldview around protecting that ego by making others feel small.

>90%+ white nations are nice places and have less crime and drug use and poverty because no african americans
Why are you so racist?

This is my favorite dipshit CHUD talking point - that countries prosper simply on their homogeneity and that their economic policy has nothing to do with it. I honestly don't even know where to start debunking such an idiotic claim. All of the available studies we have shows that nordic policies are effective even in America. We've modeled a lot of our criminal justice policies after nordic countries and seen massive drops in crime, recidivism and drug use. In LA county for example, a recent housing initiative meant to provide transitional accommodations for newly released felons found that recidivism rates among participants in the program dropped as much as 85%. This is LA county, mind you, the culturally diverse, Mexican infested hellscape you CHUDS constantly signal to as an example of the failure of diversity. We have also found similar results in prisons and local counties that have adopted rehabilitation programs over imprisonment in their judicial discretion guidelines. The policies just seem to work no matter where they are or what color the population is. I could go on but, again, I'm sure your entire worldview is based on your feels. Its ok to admit you know nothing about economics and simply just enjoy hating brown people. I'd have far more respect for you if people like you stopped LARPing like you gave a shit about anything else other than your culture war crusade.

The nordic welfare system highly encourages working
The American welfare system encourages gaming the system
Everywhere I'm aware of in the US if a family is on cash welfare+snap+wic+federal healthcare, if (for example), the father tries to go to college the family will lose snap+welfare and healthcare for the father will now be part of a student loan
Should the father instead get a job, snap is gone, so is healthcare and cash welfare.
When people are on assistance here in the states that offer the most, they are penalized harshly for attempting to come off govt assistance such that the only sensible choice is to stay on it

LA just changed what their definition of crime was to get the drop. Like how it is legal to give someone aids there. Also you do know there has been a global drop in crime over the past 40 years?
We shouldn't be wasting money on felons. We should just keep them in jail and beat them daily until they physically can't do more crimes

>LA just changed what their definition of crime was to get the drop.
This is a lie. You don't even know what study I'm referring to. You literally just came up with a random lie to explain away statistics you didn't have an answer for. It also makes zero sense.

>We shouldn't be wasting money on felons.
Every first world country that spends more money on felon has lower poverty rates, less recidivism, less homelessness and higher rates of wealth mobility. Again, stop pretending like your opinion has anything to do with economics. You hate brown people, you hate criminals and you have a compulsive desire to see these people hurt regardless of how much money it costs us. I'm not sure why you're putting on this act like your opinion has anything to do with socioeconomic.

I can't fact check all of your statements on the fly but you haven't really made an argument against implementing nordic welfare in the states. You are correct in the sense that American welfare isn't done properly. Giving someone who is impoverished food stamps doesn't meaningfully increase their wealth mobility. All you're doing is feeding a poor person. The nordic system emphasizes job programs, education programs, a comprehensive public option healthcare, debt reduction programs and a rehabilitative criminal justice system over a retributive one. Economically speaking, its opportunity that improves an individual's financial situation, not just giving them a check every month. Its not that people are penalized from coming off government assistance here - its that, in most cases, they can't afford to. This is a classic "give a man a fish/teach a man to fish" economic scenario.

cuckold

Great argument. When mom brings down a fresh bucket of chicken nuggies make sure to let her know that her precious boy just epicly pwned some noob in a debate.

>This is a lie. You don't even know what study I'm referring to. You literally just came up with a random lie to explain away statistics you didn't have an answer for. It also makes zero sense.
It's literally how dems do everything. On the day of biden's inauguration, the WHO changed the required levels for a PCR test and changed what constitutes an infection to "lower false positives" so "infections have dropped 50%" in 2 weeks, but deaths are the same
>Every first world country that spends more money on felon has lower poverty rates, less recidivism, less homelessness and higher rates of wealth mobility.
Don't care, fuck the poor, fuck the criminals.
>Again, stop pretending like your opinion has anything to do with economics. You hate brown people,
When did I say anything about race?
>you hate criminals
Do you not hate those who would do harm to others?
> and you have a compulsive desire to see these people hurt regardless of how much money it costs us.
Millions for defense, but not one cent in tribute
> I'm not sure why you're putting on this act like your opinion has anything to do with socioeconomic.
Because you are arguing for slavery and bondage

No need for argument. You push for socialist policies which makes you wrong immediatly

>It's literally how dems do everything.
You made it up. Its a lie.

>On the day of biden's inauguration, the WHO changed the required levels for a PCR test and changed what constitutes an infection to "lower false positives" so "infections have dropped 50%" in 2 weeks, but deaths are the same
This has nothing to do with our conversation.

>Don't care, fuck the poor, fuck the criminals.
Finally. The first honest thing you've said all day. You don't care about improving your country, your economy or society. You just like seeing people you don't like suffer.

>Do you not hate those who would do harm to others?
I care more about making my country better than I do about relishing in the suffering of people I don't like. There are only two explanations for human behavior - genetic or environmental. It can only be one or the other. Statistics definitively prove that the better environment people are raised in the better outcomes their lives tend to have. Better education means less criminals. More stable households means less abuse and dysfunction. This is a statistical fact. Seeing as how I think crime, abuse and dysfunction is bad, my policies are based on reducing things that are bad. Your policies are based on hurting people you don't like and making the world worse because your ego and sense of self worth requires you to reject people who you view as lesser than you.

>Millions for defense, but not one cent in tribute
Yeah, you don't care about your society or country. We've already established that.

>Because you are arguing for slavery and bondage
I'm arguing for things that have been statistically proven to reduce human misery and suffering. You're arguing to make the world a worse place because you'd rather everyone else suffer than compromise your superiority complex and crippling insecurity.

>You push for socialist policies which makes you wrong immediatly
Yet you can't even explain why they're wrong. You claim this argument is so easy and simple yet you can't even put together a paragraph as to why you're correct. I mean, be honest with me, do you never look in the mirror and wonder why it is you aren't able to articulate why you believe anything you believe in? You've dedicated your entire being to defending something that you can't even explain outloud. Does it not distress you at all to commit yourself to an idea that you can't explain?

>You made it up. Its a lie.
I did no such thing
>This has nothing to do with our conversation.
it shows a pattern of behavior
>Finally. The first honest thing you've said all day. You don't care about improving your country, your economy or society. You just like seeing people you don't like suffer.
beating the poor until they stop being lazy will help society. giving them free shit off of other people's work does not improve society.
>I care more about making my country better than I do about relishing in the suffering of people I don't like. There are only two explanations for human behavior - genetic or environmental. It can only be one or the other. Statistics definitively prove that the better environment people are raised in the better outcomes their lives tend to have. Better education means less criminals. More stable households means less abuse and dysfunction. This is a statistical fact. Seeing as how I think crime, abuse and dysfunction is bad, my policies are based on reducing things that are bad. Your policies are based on hurting people you don't like and making the world worse because your ego and sense of self worth requires you to reject people who you view as lesser than you.
Your policies are based on owning human beings as slaves.
>Yeah, you don't care about your society or country. We've already established that.
I care about people not being forced into slavery
>I'm arguing for things that have been statistically proven to reduce human misery and suffering. You're arguing to make the world a worse place because you'd rather everyone else suffer than compromise your superiority complex and crippling insecurity.
You are arguing that the lazy and evil should be allowed to own slaves

Its easy. I wont hand over a single cent of my hard earned money to improve the lives of the criminal and the lazy at my detriment. Communism has killed tens of millions of people. Enough said.

I applaud your efforts and your arguments, but it's hard to get anywhere when "debating" with a willfully ignorant and intellectually dishonest human piece of shit.

>I did no such thing
Yes you did. I gave you a study and you just made up a reason why the findings weren't accurate without any factual basis at all.

>it shows a pattern of behavior
Its whataboutism to dismiss statistical findings that you had no argument against. We're not talking about Joe Biden and PCR tests. We're talking about the socioeconomics of poverty.

>beating the poor until they stop being lazy will help society
It objectively doesn't. It just helps your ego.

>giving them free shit off of other people's work does not improve society.
It statistically does. Every time you turn on your electricity, drink a glass of tap water, check your mail or drive on a road you're using a utility earned by other people's work. That's how a society works. We have also statistically proven that giving poor people free shit does help you. It helps everyone. It reduces the cost of policing, prison, food stamps and public assistance. Every study we've done on the matter has shown that public assistance is massively profitable in the long run. The concept is that giving a teenager $100 for birth control and reproductive services is infinitely cheaper than the $200,000+ we might spend policing, imprisoning and feeding her impoverished kid. Helping people is statistically better for everyone.

>Your policies are based on owning human beings as slaves.
I can see you've completely given up pretending like you have a response to my arguments and are just throwing out random accusations.

>I care about people not being forced into slavery
Using tax dollars to improve the society for everyone is not slavery. You sound completely unhinged right now.

>You are arguing that the lazy and evil should be allowed to own slaves
>evil
Thanks for proving my point. This isn't about reality with you. This is about some imagined crusade you have against the "evil" of people you view as lesser than you. You're a very interesting dipshit, I have to say.

>I wont hand over a single cent of my hard earned money to improve the lives of the criminal and the lazy at my detriment
Its actually to your benefit. Imprisoning people and policing impoverished neighborhoods is massively expensive. Every study we have on the matter shows that helping them not only eases the tax burden on the criminal justice system but when these people become productive members of society and spend money on houses, businesses, goods and services they add money to our economy and make everyone's lives easier. This isn't an economic issue for you. This is a moral issue. You just view poor people as lesser than you and you view helping them improve their lives as rewarding people whose lives you think are less valuable than yours. Economics can easily be measured and quantified. Your contempt for human life is a feeling and I don't really have an argument against your feelings.

>Communism has killed tens of millions of people.
So has capitalism. Every economic system has killed people. The onus is on you to explain why one system is better than the other and, clearly, you can't.

>Enough said.
You still haven't provided a single argument. As fun as this is you clearly don't have any of the knowledge necessary to thoughtfully engage in this conversation. You just keep saying "Well its good because it is" because you and I both know, deep down, you've never actually questioned why you believe what you believe. You just follow your gut and don't ask questions. You're a perfect product of American education.

Thanks. I'm very bored at work. I don't expect to change the minds of these two dipshits but I had hoped somehow that publicly embarrassing them and exposing them for the morons they are might encourage someone else to question their own beliefs. Most CHUDs I meet believe things very strongly but don't have any argument why besides vague, moral gesturing. Anybody who feels really strongly in a belief but can't defend those beliefs in even the simplest of terms should really take a minute and rethink the way they build their opinions about the world. These two clearly need a bit of work in that department. On top of that, just be honest. If you hate a certain group of people and get some sort of personal satisfaction in watching others suffer and die just say so. LARPing like you give a shit about anyone other than yourself is really transparent and dishonest as shit.

>Then leave CA
And how is a penniless hobo in San Francisco going to do that?

>Its actually to your benefit.
Making me a slave does not benefit me in any way, shape or form.
>Yes you did. I gave you a study and you just made up a reason why the findings weren't accurate without any factual basis at all.
you didn't give me a study, you just said random shit and I explained to you why it is likely false. That and if it is social science no doubt the r^2 value is like .5 and there is a massive reproducibility issue and p hacking
>Its whataboutism to dismiss statistical findings that you had no argument against. We're not talking about Joe Biden and PCR tests. We're talking about the socioeconomics of poverty.
We are talking about dems manipulating stats to lie.
>It objectively doesn't. It just helps your ego.
It will help society, if the lazy stop being lazy they will stop being poor.
>It statistically does. Every time you turn on your electricity, drink a glass of tap water, check your mail or drive on a road you're using a utility earned by other people's work. That's how a society works. We have also statistically proven that giving poor people free shit does help you. It helps everyone. It reduces the cost of policing, prison, food stamps and public assistance. Every study we've done on the matter has shown that public assistance is massively profitable in the long run. The concept is that giving a teenager $100 for birth control and reproductive services is infinitely cheaper than the $200,000+ we might spend policing, imprisoning and feeding her impoverished kid. Helping people is statistically better for everyone.
Putting me into slavery does not help me. Cutting welfare and letting the lazy sort their own shit out is the best option. Fuck lazy fags like you who want me to be your slave.
>I can see you've completely given up pretending like you have a response to my arguments and are just throwing out random accusations.
You are the fag who thinks he owns my labor

>Using tax dollars to improve the society for everyone is not slavery.
Why do you think you own the labor and time of other people? And enslaving me does not improve society for me. It only improves it for the lazy slave owners.
>You sound completely unhinged right now.
Being against slavery makes someone "unhinged"?
>Thanks for proving my point. This isn't about reality with you. This is about some imagined crusade you have against the "evil" of people you view as lesser than you. You're a very interesting dipshit, I have to say.
Criminals are objectively evil. Raping, robbing, assaulting, or murdering someone is an act of evil

suicide

>I my fucked up logic, the richer you get the more of a slave you are because you pay more in taxes to help more people

Get a load of this guy

If youre lazy neet son refuses to leave the house and get a job, providing him with housing and food isnt going to help him actually develop, it just allows him to exist in limbo while living off the teet of mommy and daddy. The only way to stop lazy people is to throw them out into the wild and seeing who perservers and who dies. Its called survival of the fittest and its how society used to work before commies started taxing the successful to coddle the weak

The same way they go anywhere else. With their feet. God knows theyve got the time.

>Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
That has nothing to do whatsoever with Democratic Socialism. In fact, it can easily be argued that Capitalism, where labor is treated as a commodity to be bought and sold like human chattel, violates that Amendment. Socialism and Communism for that matter, where the workers who produce the goods and services own the means to produce those goods and services thus no longer being slaves or indentured servants are economic systems in full compliance with the 13th Amendment.

At a minimum, as a good 1st step to begin to bring the US into compliance with the 13th, every business should be required to issue 50% ownership to the employees, no exceptions. A side benefit is productivity increases dramatically in businesses that are employee owned.

It's too bad the US media, particularly the rightwing media (aka the corporate mouthpiece stooges) have spent centuries brainwashing the American people into believing Democratic Socialism results in your precious bodily fluids being stolen and you forced to wear a ball and chain around your neck mining salt 18 hours/day. And as we see itt, it has been a ludicrously successful campaign as even those gimps who would most benefit from Socialist policies vehemently argue against them.

Here's a cute little tidbit: The US medical system ranks 34th in the world, TWO POSITIONS ABOVE CUBA which ranks at 36th. If it hadn't been for the absurd US embargo against Cuba, it would definitely rank higher than the US.

Okay so they don't starve or die to exposure and have made it to another state. Then what? Is their life as a hobo supposed to magically get better now that they crossed the invisible line into Oregon?

>dude paid employment is slavery! we need communism !!!

Honestly he should just get a job. If he wont look for work in cali, simply moving states won't solve his laziness problem

Why do you think you are entitled to the labor of others?
socialism and communism are systems where the people are chattel slaves to the state.

>It's too bad the US media, particularly the rightwing media (aka the corporate mouthpiece stooges)
he says after the media went out of it's way to elect obongo and biden and try to elect clinton and said how bad bush and trump were while ignoring every bad thing clinton, obongo, biden, and the dems ever did

I believe the welfare system should help the homeless get jobs. I am hated by both the left and the right in America. Who am I?

Why would anyone ever want to hire a homeless or a felon?

>socialism and communism are systems where the people are chattel slaves to the state
Keep sucking up that corporate propaganda spewed by their mouthpieces of Sauron, the rightwing media, tool. And make sure you vote against your own best interests again and again and again, ad infinitum, slave.

Dems have said they want to raise my taxes, take my guns, and open the borders. How is any of that shit in my interests, bootlicker?

However, CA, or any of the warmer liberal states, would sure as shit be my choice if I were homeless.

>How is any of that shit in my interests, bootlicker?
Because all of the things you're afraid of are figments of your imagination.

>Why would anyone ever want to hire a homeless or a felon?
Because the alternative is continuing to police, arrest, imprison and rearrest for the rest of their lives. The stigma in our country against reintegrating "undesirable" people back into society is one of the greatest impedances to our advancement. Obviously there are a lot of criminals, particularly violent ones, who need to be incarcerated for the safety of the general public. That being said, the vast majority of people in our prison system aren't the rapists, murderers and gang members that conservatives lead you to believe. Most of them are drug and low-level offenders who grew up with shit parents in shit neighborhoods with shit schools and never really had any real opportunity to rise beyond their station. America is a living contradiction - we demand people "pay their debt to society" through lengthy prison sentences but then when they come out we do everything in our power to make sure they never have access to anything that will allow them to contribute. I'm confused why a homeless person or felon working a job and contributing to our economy is more offensive to you than just letting them sit in prison or shelters soaking up tax dollars.

False. All the dems voted against the middle class tax cuts and none have suggested extending them when they sunset. Biden has dramatically increased the number of refugees allowed in and told ICE to stand down, and dems are all anti gunners.
Why would you hire someone who is going to rape/rob/murder you or your employees or customers? That is dumb as shit. Enjoy getting raped by an objectively evil person.

>socialism and communism are systems where the people are chattel slaves to the state.
Socialism is the de-commodification of the economy and workers owning the means of production. Communism is a stateless, classless society. Neither of those things involves the state at all. One of them explicitly advocates for the removal of a state entirely. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>Why do you think you are entitled to the labor of others?
That's how a society works. The only reason you're able to earn a living is due to the labor of others. The roads you drive on that get you to work, the postal service you rely on to deliver your important mail, the school you went to that gave you the education to advance your career - all of those things were built with the labor of others. You benefit from things other people built with the taxes they collected from labor you don't own. You're really just a self-centered cunt who has no idea how the world works.

How do you force people to hand over their labor to the collective without an authoritarian state? That makes no sense. In a stateless classless society, the lazy would starve. Communism and Socialism are based on authoritarianism because they require controlling people's economics. That is why every left wing state has been authoritarian and most have been dictatorships.

>That's how a society works.
"you are my slave because I decided you signed a contract when you are born and therefore I own you"

>Biden has dramatically increased the number of refugees allowed in and told ICE to stand down
That isn't open borders. Anything other than staunch, nationalist isolationism isn't open borders. This is a dumb conservative talking point you fuckers rattle out without any critical thinking at all.

>All the dems voted against the middle class tax cuts and none have suggested extending them when they sunset.
False. Biden has already stated he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making under $400,000. None of the Dems have suggested extended Trump's tax plan because all of them have signaled they want to replace it with a new one, seeing as how trickle-down economics has been a massive failure for the past 60 years. Why would Dems want to extend a shit tax policy?

>dems are all anti gunners
I don't agree with Dems on guns at all. That being said, most of what they advocate for is ineffective virtue signaling. I hardly see expanded background checks and AR sales bans as equivalent to the bullshit conspiracies conservatives pedal about the military kicking down your door and confiscating your handguns. You people exaggerate like children.

>Why would you hire someone who is going to rape/rob/murder you or your employees or customers?
I clearly stated in my response that some violent criminals are incarcerated by necessity. I don't know if you ignored that part or if childish appeals to emotion is the only way you know how to engage with ideas you disagree with. The alternative for the rest of the non-violent criminals is continuing to pay for them to sit in prison or shelters. One option is cheaper, makes everyone wealthier and reduces crime. The other is massively expensive and has done nothing but make crime worse. Its weird that you're choosing the second one.

>Enjoy getting raped by an objectively evil person.
The fact that you think morality is objective says to me that you're either 13 years old or you're actually mentally disabled.

>How do you force people to hand over their labor to the collective without an authoritarian state?
A state, by definition, is authoritarian. Arresting people for murder is, by definition, authoritarian. Whether or not its authoritarian isn't really the debate, is it? Its whether or not its good.

>That makes no sense. In a stateless classless society, the lazy would starve.
A stateless, classless society, in concept, would function as a collective. Workers would own their labor, collectively make decisions about policy and regulation and democratically elect leaders to management positions. I'm not a communist but, unlike you, I bothered to research the things I disagree so I can explain why I disagree with them.

>Communism and Socialism are based on authoritarianism because they require controlling people's economics.
Not only are you incorrect, you've basically described capitalism. In completely unregulated capitalism, your boss owns everything and can make any decision about your job, your wage and your benefits without your consent. In socialism, every worker owns a share of the business they work for and democratically make decisions, along with every other worker, about what direction the company goes in.

>That is why every left wing state has been authoritarian and most have been dictatorships.
Dictatorship, as you can tell by the current geopolitical landscape, isn't even remotely exclusive to left-wing states. Installing a dominant ruling party and calling it a worker's party communism does not communism make. If a state apparatus exists it is, by definition, not communism.

>That isn't open borders.
Letting in tons of lazy 3rd world criminals and refusing to deport the scum is open borders.
>False. Biden has already stated he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making under $400,000. None of the Dems have suggested extended Trump's tax plan because all of them have signaled they want to replace it with a new one, seeing as how trickle-down economics has been a massive failure for the past 60 years. Why would Dems want to extend a shit tax policy?
The middle class tax cuts start sunsetting this year. Unless the dems extend it, it will be a tax hike on the middle class. Dems fucking hate the middle class, as seen by the fact they won't extend the tax cuts and don't want to give checks to anyone making over $50k
>I don't agree with Dems on guns at all. That being said, most of what they advocate for is ineffective virtue signaling.
Holy shit you are that faggot? Dems literally are trying to make people felons overnight and want a registry for confiscation. Admit you want the dems to ban and confiscate guns and fuck off.
>I hardly see expanded background checks
creating a registry for confiscation
> and AR sales bans
literally the most popular modern sporting rifle and almost never used in crimes
>as equivalent to the bullshit conspiracies conservatives pedal about the military kicking down your door and confiscating your handguns.
handguns are banned in most states for adults under 21 and in nearly all states are harder to buy. Until 2008 they were illegal in DC.
>You people exaggerate like children.
They literally used registries for confiscation in AUS, NZ, and the UK. The guy biden put in charge of guns literally said he is coming for people's guns. Fuck off, gun bans are not in my interest commie.

>"you are my slave because I decided you signed a contract when you are born and therefore I own you"
You are beholden to the collective rules of society because you consciously choose to live in one. If you decide not to follow those rules then you are not compatible with that society. Just like if you like to rape and murder people you are not compatible with society you are also not compatible if you're an absolute dipshit libertarian retard who doesn't understand the irony of saying "taxation is theft" while driving on public roads, using the bathroom in their house with indoor plumbing paid for by tax dollars, sending their kids to public school and calling a publicly funded police force to keep their neighborhood safe. You have, by default, profited from the infrastructure built with tax dollars. The only reason you get to drive a car, own a business or exist in a community at all is because other people before you worked and paid taxes to have it built. You don't get to take from other people in society then fold your arms and pout when its time to give back. If you've got a problem with that arrangement then go move to the woods and shit in a hole you dug yourself you fucking an-prim dimwit.

>I clearly stated in my response that some violent criminals are incarcerated by necessity. I don't know if you ignored that part or if childish appeals to emotion is the only way you know how to engage with ideas you disagree with. The alternative for the rest of the non-violent criminals is continuing to pay for them to sit in prison or shelters. One option is cheaper, makes everyone wealthier and reduces crime. The other is massively expensive and has done nothing but make crime worse. Its weird that you're choosing the second one.
Drug criminals do violent crimes when they get out of jail. Better to leave the evil weed addicts in prison to rot. Why would you hire someone who is going to rape/rob/murder you or your employees or customers?
>The fact that you think morality is objective says to me that you're either 13 years old or you're actually mentally disabled.
Rape, theft, and murder are objectively evil you fucking retard.
>A state, by definition, is authoritarian. Arresting people for murder is, by definition, authoritarian. Whether or not its authoritarian isn't really the debate, is it? Its whether or not its good.
So, you think forcing people to be chattel of the state is good?
>A stateless, classless society, in concept, would function as a collective. Workers would own their labor, collectively make decisions about policy and regulation and democratically elect leaders to management positions. I'm not a communist but, unlike you, I bothered to research the things I disagree so I can explain why I disagree with them.
So, the people who give the propaganda to the city fuckers would own everyone else as slaves? Because we see how cities deny everyone else their human rights, see how every county outside of NYC and Albany opposes the SAFE act and every county outside of NOVA opposes everything the state government does

>Not only are you incorrect, you've basically described capitalism. In completely unregulated capitalism, your boss owns everything and can make any decision about your job, your wage and your benefits without your consent. In socialism, every worker owns a share of the business they work for and democratically make decisions, along with every other worker, about what direction the company goes in.
That's a load of shit. Under socialism the state owns you as a slave. See how every county outside of NYC and Albany opposes the SAFE act and every county outside of NOVA opposes everything the state government does.
>Dictatorship, as you can tell by the current geopolitical landscape, isn't even remotely exclusive to left-wing states. Installing a dominant ruling party and calling it a worker's party communism does not communism make. If a state apparatus exists it is, by definition, not communism.
Except there are no left wing states that don't have a dictatorship or very strong oligarchy in power that denies the people their human rights.
>You are beholden to the collective rules of society
I am not. You don't get to own slaves, you piece of shit

>Dems have said they want to raise my taxes
Nope. Trump, Moscow Mitch and the Repukelicants ensured that would happen when they set them to expire. Now pls don't pretend you're in the top 1% which justifiably, the Dems want to have to pay their fair share unlike the Repukelicants.
>take my guns
You're suffering from worse hysteria than a woman having a PMS bitchfit.
>open the borders
You mean stopping the torture of women and children? You mean compassionately evaluating refugee status requests instead of kicking them in the face with iron soled jackboots?

Too bad troglodyte savage barbarians weren't in charge of immigration policy when your diseased, weak, sickly ancestors stumbled off the boat at Ellis Island. They would have saved humanity a lot of misery by tossing them into the ocean.

>Letting in tons of lazy 3rd world criminals and refusing to deport the scum is open borders.
So, saying things that make immigrants sound scary is not an argument. You're not citing any policy - you're just fear mongering and appealing to nationalist rage to argue against something that objectively isn't happening.

>The middle class tax cuts start sunsetting this year. Unless the dems extend it, it will be a tax hike on the middle class.
Biden's already said that wouldn't happen. I doubt he'll turn back on a campaign promise so crucial to his election. Dems will follow through on it for nothing else other than to save their re-election campaigns.

>Dems fucking hate the middle class
Its so weird that someone could think that with trickle down economics and Regan era economics being responsible for the pretty much all of the middle class destruction. You really know nothing about economics do you.

>Holy shit you are that faggot? Dems literally are trying to make people felons overnight and want a registry for confiscation.
No, they aren't. This is another delusion that you've been programmed to believe by far-right demagogues. They make a lot of money off of making you a fearful drone incapable of thinking for themselves.

>creating a registry for confiscation
You're literally just making shit up right now.

>literally the most popular modern sporting rifle and almost never used in crimes
Agreed

>handguns are banned in most states for adults under 21
True. Its a really good policy and I agree with it.

>Fuck off, gun bans are not in my interest commie.
Good thing none are coming, delusional right-wing cultist. You're the most slippery slope dipshit I've every talked to. Hold on - are you that fucking batshit "guns are a basic human rights" guy???

>Better to leave the evil weed addicts in prison to rot.
Well, its more expensive than getting them a job.

>Why would you hire someone who is going to rape/rob/murder you or your employees or customers?
I've already responded to this dipshit strawman.

>Rape, theft, and murder are objectively evil you fucking retard.
Morality is not objective. This is information you learn in like the 9th grade, bro.

>So, you think forcing people to be chattel of the state is good?
I think stopping people from murdering other people is good. Can you respond to anything I'm actually saying or is strawmanning the only way you know how to talk?

>So, the people who give the propaganda to the city fuckers would own everyone else as slaves?
I love how you just keep using the word "slave" whenever you're presented with an idea you don't have a response to. Appealing to emotion whenever they're backed into the corner is the habit of someone who has no idea what the fuck they are talking about. I also told you I'm not a communist. I don't advocate for communism so I don't know why you're arguing this point with me.

>That's a load of shit. Under socialism the state owns you as a slave.
You have no idea what socialism is. Socialism is two things - de-comodifying the economy and workers owning the means of production. You're not even making any specific claims about policy or theory. You're just saying "socialism bad" and completely failing to explain why.

>Except there are no left wing states that don't have a dictatorship or very strong oligarchy in power that denies the people their human rights.
I think the issue is that you just don't have any idea what left-wing is. You label everything bad that happens in a country as socialism and everything good as capitalism but you have no idea how either system works.

>I am not.
Yes you are. You are using internet which was invented by the U.S. military. The U.S. military's research programs are funded by tax payer dollars. Right now you are being an incredible dipshit using a technology created by tax dollars from other people's labor. Isn't society great?

>You don't get to own slaves, you piece of shit
It is incredible how stupid you are.

hey there lone star

>Nope. Trump, Moscow Mitch and the Repukelicants ensured that would happen when they set them to expire. Now pls don't pretend you're in the top 1% which justifiably, the Dems want to have to pay their fair share unlike the Repukelicants.
Trump lowered my taxes. Biden will let the tax cuts sunset. Biden is raising my taxes.
>You're suffering from worse hysteria than a woman having a PMS bitchfit.
Fuck off you gaslighting faggot thejewishvoice.com/2021/02/jen-psaki-joe-biden-would-love-to-see-action-on-gun-control/
>You mean stopping the torture of women and children? You mean compassionately evaluating refugee status requests instead of kicking them in the face with iron soled jackboots?
None of them have valid requests.
>Too bad troglodyte savage barbarians weren't in charge of immigration policy when your diseased, weak, sickly ancestors stumbled off the boat at Ellis Island. They would have saved humanity a lot of misery by tossing them into the ocean.
You do realize there is a difference between coming to a developing nation and working and coming to a developed one for free shit. Also it was Castle Garden

>So, saying things that make immigrants sound scary is not an argument. You're not citing any policy - you're just fear mongering and appealing to nationalist rage to argue against something that objectively isn't happening.
Him increasing the refugee quota via EO and telling ICE to stand down via EO is policy you fucking liar.
>Biden's already said that wouldn't happen.
He never said he would extend the trump tax cuts. Harris and him said they would end them, aka raise taxes on the middle class.
> I doubt he'll turn back on a campaign promise so crucial to his election. Dems will follow through on it for nothing else other than to save their re-election campaigns.
Dems already went back on $2,000 checks for everyone immediately. Dems never keep promises.
>Its so weird that someone could think that with trickle down economics and Regan era economics being responsible for the pretty much all of the middle class destruction. You really know nothing about economics do you.
Reagan lifted tons of people to higher economic classes. Under Reagan my parents and their siblings got into a much higher economic station than their parents. And dems want to raise taxes on the middle class, you retard.
>No, they aren't. This is another delusion that you've been programmed to believe by far-right demagogues. They make a lot of money off of making you a fearful drone incapable of thinking for themselves.
stop lying
congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/127/text
dailycaller.com/2020/09/21/joe-biden-told-voters-the-second-amendment-does-not-protect-an-individual-right/
joebiden.com/gunsafety/
>You're literally just making shit up right now.
see HR127 and Biden's website
>True. Its a really good policy and I agree with it.
See, you are an anti gun faggot who is arguing in bad faith.
>Good thing none are coming, delusional right-wing cultist. You're the most slippery slope dipshit I've every talked to.
see HR 127 and Biden's website

>Hold on - are you that fucking batshit "guns are a basic human rights" guy???
They are a basic human right, chang.
>Well, its more expensive than getting them a job.
Why would you hire someone who is going to rape/rob/murder you or your employees or customers?
>I've already responded to this dipshit strawman.
No, you really haven't provided a good counter argument.
>Morality is not objective. This is information you learn in like the 9th grade, bro.
Good to know you are pro rape and pro theft and pro murder.
>I think stopping people from murdering other people is good. Can you respond to anything I'm actually saying or is strawmanning the only way you know how to talk?
you are the one arguing that authoritarianism is good and that people should be compelled to give their labor to the collective.
>I love how you just keep using the word "slave" whenever you're presented with an idea you don't have a response to. Appealing to emotion whenever they're backed into the corner is the habit of someone who has no idea what the fuck they are talking about.
What else would you call stealing someone labor by force and denying them their human rights without their consent?
> I also told you I'm not a communist. I don't advocate for communism so I don't know why you're arguing this point with me.
Just like you don't advocate for gun control? You spent the whole thread advocating for communism, chang.

>You have no idea what socialism is. Socialism is two things - de-comodifying the economy and workers owning the means of production. You're not even making any specific claims about policy or theory. You're just saying "socialism bad" and completely failing to explain why.
Socialism is a system where the collective owns the individual a slaves. It typically has a dictatorship, soft or hard, and denies people their human rights and the goal is communism.
>I think the issue is that you just don't have any idea what left-wing is. You label everything bad that happens in a country as socialism and everything good as capitalism but you have no idea how either system works.
I label things that call themselves socialist as socialist
>Yes you are. You are using internet which was invented by the U.S. military. The U.S. military's research programs are funded by tax payer dollars. Right now you are being an incredible dipshit using a technology created by tax dollars from other people's labor. Isn't society great?
I pay for internet access. I am not your slave and I have no obligations to society.
>It is incredible how stupid you are.
You are the retard arguing for communism and reddit spacing, or phone posting

This site is only different from reddit, in that people use excessive slurs lmao

For as much as you talk about "muh labor" you are on Dab Forums nearly 24/7. Whatever job you have your boss needs to fire your ass for being an unproductive twat.

She can't fund a jerb because all them scary hispanic rapist, murdering drug dealers stole her jerb picking fruit and vegetables 12 hours/day, so she hunts squirrels with her AR-15 equipped with bump stock and gathers ditchweed, nuts and berries for food while searching for threads where she can bitch about muh brown people, poor people and prisoners while praising Capitalism and calling Democratic Socialists the anti-christ.

In short, how a typical magat cultist spends her day.

Honestly cheaper and more efficient thing to do is just hire some teenagers to come and beat the shit out of the homeless once it turns night, teenagers get some spending money, and the parasites in the area get maimed, or preferably killed.

Obviously if they come back despite the beating you don't want the teenagers to do it again immediately, give it some time say a week, so it isn't suspicious, then after that beat the shit out of the vermin again.

Yet you just can't stop coming here.

Oh, and repeat ad infinitum, whenever necessary.

What if the homeless people beat the shit out of the teenagers first?

That's not very likely to happen, I used teenagers as an example because it's already a common occurrence where teenagers beat the homeless.

Very edgy, user. We can all feel how tough and cool you are from over the internet.

Just being realistic, no need to cry you redditor newfag.

There's no denying that in terms of cost, paying someone to beat them is far cheaper than blaring Barney 24/7

>Just being realistic
Yeah, we know user. You're very tough and scary.

>There's no denying that in terms of cost, paying someone to beat them is far cheaper than blaring Barney 24/7
Say hey to your mom for me when she comes down with your next plate of bedtime chicken nuggies and tucks you in to your official The Joker © bedsheets, tough guy.

I don't know, user, I've seen some pretty mean fighting homeless people in my time. Don't sell the fighting ability of a desperate homeless person short.

Pretty hilarious honestly, though the Barney shit would get annoying eventually to the non homeless as well.

Better off just killing the homeless parasites.

>You just despise poor people as a defense mechanism to validate your own worth
Even a diamond press couldn't crush a man this hard. Fuck.
>whataboutism
For the love of God stop using this as a defense against hypocrisy. I mean in this instance it makes more sense to use it, I just detest the term and how lassiez faire it is applied to things.
Holy shit I have not seen a carpet bombing like this on Dab Forums in a while. (You) have my praise for making an interesting read whilst forming compelling arguments and systematically deconstructing opposing arguments.

In the words of that Dab Forums board I visited:
>I KNEEL

I don't know, it has a Mediterranean climate on the coast. That means windy, cold and shit. That said, CA has enormous climatic variability - and I just found a cool climate science study in the process of reading.

>They are a basic human right, chang
un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html
No.

holy fucking reddit what a waste of quads

sociopaths are usually parasites too

Retard alert.

>Capitalism works
Mega retard alert.

You type and behave like you dropped out of 8th grade.

CA resident here,
many of them, no its not. and our river banks have totally filled up with homeless right now.
many of them have not chosen to be homeless, and the skyrocketing real estate price here in the state coupled with the substandard wage makes finding a real place to live ungodly expensive.
Im lucky i bought a home, its been going up in value way quicker than it should.
even the homes in the straightup crack-head ghettos go for nearly half a million zillow.com/homedetails/354-Bannon-St-Sacramento-CA-95811/2078841762_zpid/

Like you choose to be hit by your father.

Fucking spare me westoids, I've got relatives who worked from five years old. Is that ideal? Fuck no, that's pathetic that a country could be so shit, but your homeless live like kings compared to others so fucking spare me the pity party for them.

Try living in a place that isn't an overpriced, over-crowded shithole, where the average person won't give you a single cent because they need every last penny to make sure they can afford their ramen noodles and their bunk-bed in the sharehome.

Or as I stated, start a commune. I'm sure you're gonna say that's unrealistic and nobody can be expected to do that, but my family came from a Yugoslavian peasant village so my sympathy for coddled westerners is fucking nil.

Guess your dumbass relatives should’ve made the choice to move then.

They did, retard. Moved to another country. Got the fuck out of the Yugoslavian shithole before it became so shit it imploded into yet another war.

So see, if Yugoslavian peasant farmers can do it, you can too! Put away your stolen phone, pick up that bindle, and ride the rails motherfucker.

...So we can become Yugoslavia?

Oh user, I thought you were trying to tell me how terrible their situation is. Are you admitting that compared to some places the American hobo doesn't really have it that fucking bad?

He wont if he makes good decisions like not smoking meth or becoming a liberal ie paying rent and keeping a job

We get it, you and every other communist is in bed with big corporations. You can stop anytime now

>he can't shitpost and work at the same time
If you dont want people shitposting at work, dont have them work from home.
>all this cope because you are unhappy you can't own slaves.
Go back faggot
Why do you think they use Dab Forums and not/pol/?
Hey reddit samefag
>>They are a basic human right, chang
>un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html
>no
Why are you trying to use the un, a group of unelected beurocrats who exist to keep the oligarchs in power, as an argument? That declaration was chaired by a woman who helped run race based concentration camps. Rights are not and have never been derived from the government, you authoritarian bootlicker.
You shitpost at times when normal people who have jobs are asleep, neet.
All homeless and poor chose to be lazy. They all chose to not have homes
Imagine being so mad you accuse someone of being beaten

>I'm posting again during work hours

Need to be fired, you do.

>Hurry honey, grab the camera! Babby just fell in love with his 1st hack political philosopher, Ayn Rand!
>Give me a second dear, I'm getting it ready! I knew reading him those Horatio Algier bootstrap myths instead of commie, socialist, anarchist, atheist Aesop fables and Mother Goose stories would bare fruit! Hurry up and curl his hair like Rand Paul does and paint his face orange, dear!

Says the authoritarian fag who believes the socialist myth even though it always leads to famine and death

>That declaration was chaired by a woman who helped run race based concentration camp
Man, here I was thinking that would be a big selling point for you. Bummer!

Funny thing about that claim though...
nps.gov/articles/erooseveltinternment.htm
>In 1943 Eleanor Roosevelt visited the internment camp at Gila River and immediately started campaigning to assist confined Japanese Americans.

You're not accurate. You are a liar. You are the very epitome of what you claim to stand against. Truth and evidence? You have none. You confect it as you need it.

Still, watching your arse get beat is remarkably enjoyable!

>Man, here I was thinking that would be a big selling point for you. Bummer!
>Funny thing about that claim though...
>nps.gov/articles/erooseveltinternment.htm
>>In 1943 Eleanor Roosevelt visited the internment camp at Gila River and immediately started campaigning to assist confined Japanese Americans.
>You're not accurate. You are a liar. You are the very epitome of what you claim to stand against. Truth and evidence? You have none. You confect it as you need it.
Who built the cages Joe? Whose husband literally wrote and signed the EO to put them there? Who nominated the judges who said the EO was valid? Who kept them in the camps for the rest of his life, joe?
>Still, watching your arse get beat is remarkably enjoyable!
>arse
Oh, it's you nigel. Fuck off and go prey to mecca. The Americans are talking and we have no time for subhuman serfs like you. Your rights come from the queen, because you arent a person, but ours come from a higher authority than the state.

>Oh, it's you nigel.
Nah cunt, this is Bruce.
>Who built the cages Joe? Whose husband literally wrote and signed the EO to put them there?
So now this isn't Eleanor Roosevelt who "helped run" these camps, but her husband? More lies shielded with confections, as there is absolutely no evidence to support the assertion "she helped run camps". Just more lies!

Also, spelling time!
>prey
Pray

>Nah cunt, this is Bruce.
Its subhuman faggot is who you are. Now fuck off before I throw your shit in the ocean. The humans are speaking.

take your meds dude

Did you pay your internet license to your queen? Imagine being such a cuck you are obsessed with someone in another country owning guns.

> anti homeless harassment
So it harasesses homeowners?

So your 3 policy issues that drive your "informed" vote are: I gotta have me unregulated penis substitute death weapons to ensure the US maintains 40,000+ gun deaths/year, the biggliest ever recorded in the universe compared to every other developed nation (we just keep winning!); we have to crawl into consenting adults bedrooms to make sure they are conforming to the Evangelical white "christian" nationalist interpretation of how sexual congress should occur; and make sure women are forced to allow a malignant, cancerous grouping of cells to metastasize into an unwanted spawn contributing to the further rape and destruction of the only known habitable planet in the universe. And meanwhile the hypocrite politicians and their mouthpieces, rightwing media, who feed you that nonsense go about their primary business of turning the US into a dystopian shithole which furthers your disenfranchisement. Damn Cletus, no wonder you all was kangs 'n shite!

I don't usually side with the Shareblue shill, but bloody, fuck guys. maybe it IS time for this country to just fucking collapse.

>So your 3 policy issues that drive your "informed" vote are: I gotta have me unregulated penis substitute
Why are you obsessed with dicks?
death weapons to ensure the US maintains 40,000+ gun deaths/year,
When was the last year 40,000+ Americans died to privately owned guns. I want to see a source the >biggliest ever recorded in the universe compared to every other developed nation (we just keep winning!);
Brazil has more gun murders each year than the USA. USA isnt even in the top half of murders in all countries in the world.
>we have to crawl into consenting adults bedrooms to make sure they are conforming to the Evangelical white "christian" nationalist interpretation of how sexual congress should occur;
Literally what the fuck are you talking about?
>and make sure women are forced to allow a malignant, cancerous grouping of cells to metastasize into an unwanted spawn contributing to the further rape and destruction of the only known habitable planet in the universe.
When have I said I dont want poors murdering their babies?
>And meanwhile the hypocrite politicians and their mouthpieces, rightwing media, who feed you that nonsense go about their primary business of turning the US into a dystopian shithole which furthers your disenfranchisement.
Dems are literally the ones disenfranchising me.
> Damn Cletus, no wonder you all was kangs 'n shite!
And you are still mad we have rights and you are a serf.

You would like that, wouldn't you nigel ? And you always side with communism you yuro faggot

>dems are disenfranchising me because they want me to treat people different than me like human beings
Take your inbred ass and your arbitrary sense of superiority to Dab Forums Billy Bob.

Not at all retard. Dems vote to raise my taxes, ban speech, and ban/restrict guns. That is disenfranchising me. Dems right now want to end the filibuster and pack the courts to disenfranchise me.

>raising taxes
Alright fair dues on that one, I can see why someone would feel disenfranchised by that.
>Ban/restrict guns
Restrict maybe. The right has said "he's banning guns, he's gonna take them all away!" about the last what, 4 democrat presidents? Hasn't happened yet at least.

>Restrict maybe. The right has said "he's banning guns, he's gonna take them all away!" about the last what, 4 democrat presidents? Hasn't happened yet at least.
Are you retarded, or 12, or just not American? 2 of the last 4 democrats have signed major anti gun laws including an awb. LBJ signed the GCA of 1968 and said it didn't go far enough and wanted to ban handguns and create a national registry for confiscation. Bill Clinton signed the Brady Bill, an AWB, and banned importation of most semi auto rifles.

>back to posting during work hours

Shame shame shame

The ones that can get away do. The ones that don’t have the means stay. But letting them shit on the streets of SF with impunity is going too far, as is the lax drug and theft laws and prosecution.

This is actually somewhat of a reasonable post.
I like to see people actually discussing in good faith on this platform rather than that "I hate magats" retard who keeps replying to himself

I don't have any issue with sensible gun control because we've already gone past the point of our populace being able to hold back an oppressive government by force of arms.
At this point any forceful revolution would need to be with the military's cooperation.

But that's neither here nor there.

What's your opinion on the style of gun they keep trying to restrict?
Handguns result in far More deaths. And admittedly a rifle is better at actual combat than a handgun yet responsible for much less deaths in the US.

Why not further restrict hand guns instead?

All they really have to do is leave the city and get a job doing menial labor for $9hr in a place where that wage affords them a shitty apartment with a roommate. It's not impossible. Millions of Americans do just that. They enjoy having a stable environment, a purpose in life and forging interpersonal relationships.
They don't, not because there are no jobs, but because they're addicts and/or fucking insane. The homeless didn't end up with absolutely nothing and nobody who cares about them just from being "down on their luck". They burned every bridge they had over years. Guaranteed. Every time. We really need to bring back the asylum system, but make it cheap and not so inhumane this time.

Most states already do restrict handguns more than rifles and it hasn't done much. Have to be 21 vs 18 and must have a concealed carry license in most states. The problem is that most crime guns are stolen or straw-purchased and the cops don't do enough to get them off the streets.

Leave the current laws for handguns. Prosecute gang violence more aggressively. Give people paths out of the ghetto not just more gibs to keep them there.

>KY and MO both have better education systems than California
thats not saying much, just about anywhere has better anything than california unless those things are biggest statewide fires, highest homeless pop, or most illegals

>They don't, not because there are no jobs, but because they're addicts and/or fucking insane. The homeless didn't end up with absolutely nothing and nobody who cares about them just from being "down on their luck". They burned every bridge they had over years. Guaranteed. Every time.
This. Idk why we have to have sympathy for addicts who have zero interest in doing anything other than get high

A registration is only good for confiscation. An AWB doesn't address the majority of gun crime occuring with handguns. And AR-15's being in common use means that existing AWB's will not survive circuit or supreme court challenges. Forcing people to register "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines with a $200 tax for each (this gets left out whenever it's discussed) only discriminates against poor people and will be widely ignored.

>Alright fair dues on that one, I can see why someone would feel disenfranchised by that.
Not the guy you replied to but I too am disenfranchised for similar reasons. The dems entire platform is push out as many unnecessary taxes as possible with no meaningful use behind any of it and forcing regulations to get kudos from schizos on the far left that also dont do anything. Like most people aren't against being more environmentally friendly but shit like raising gas prices to "combat climate change" isnt helping anyone or fixing the situation.