Republican Congressmen Who Supported the Failed Trump Coup Dies of the Trump Virus

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Reality has a liberal bias. This kills the repugniQon.

Conservative Media Bias trying to cover up for Trump even after he got kicked out of office.

>make a point to not wear masks and push for "herd immunity"
>die
reap what you sow

Asking people to spit on a his grave isn't stating facts

Given he was trying to condemn teachers to their deaths just 3 days before he died of Covid, and betrayed his oath to defend America by supporting the Trump coup, be happy it was just spitting and not pissing on his grave.

Regardless of how you choose to justify it to cope with being called out, it doesn't change the fact that you are being spiteful and vindictive. I wouldn't go so far as to say evil like the other user did, though.

>>has lung cancee
>>totally the rona guise we swear!

You retards would die on the climb upto 80iq.

>reddit buzzword
Into the trash your post goes

huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/congressman-ron-wright-covid-lung-cancer_n_60215eb2c5b6173dd2f83106?ri18n=true

>The Texas Republican is the first member of Congress to die after being diagnosed with the coronavirus
>The Texas Republican was also diagnosed with lung cancer in 2018, and was admitted to a Dallas hospital in September 2020 due to complications from his treatment.

Okay so I really do want to get to the bottom of the "COVID related" statistics and how they're calculated, also how many deaths are directly attributed (not proximally) to SARS2.

The other thing I want explored is why media strongly infers deaths are due to coronavirus. Undoubtedly it is linked to clicks and advertising revenue, just like every other less than 100% factual and objective piece that appears in major news outlets.

In other news, I like the guy's bowtie, but at a glance his views sucked shit. He was the classic paleoconservative useful idiot co-opted by neoliberalism to help work against his own core ideals and debase his society. Brilliant.

>>reddit buzzword
>Into the trash your post goes
Which buzzword? I don't follow this post...

Have you considered that media covering certain topics because they'll get more clicks doesn't necessarily invalidate what they cover?

So your damage control is just because he had something else, it surely means that's what killed him and not the highly infectious and deadly diseases that's currently spreading around that he took no precautions against?

When the media uses misleading headlines that give an incorrect impression of the actual event they do invalidate themselves.

Misleading headlines is lying because a huge percentage of people only read the headline and maybe first paragraph.

That's true
But two scoops blocks your path

Not him, but I think his point is that you could attribute every death to 'old age' for every stroke or cardiac failure victim above the age of 65, but your only telling a partial story of you say that
I have no doubt covid would be a contributing factor, but this isn't a car crash where there is a single catastrophic cause of life loss

Covid has a death rate of .0001 or so. It's the comorbidities that make it deadly. The vast majority of people handle it fine.

I believe that was his point.
Stop kvetching and be objective occasionally

>Not him
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Regardless, trying to claim everything but covid killed him was a classic Trump tactic to make the pandemic look less worse than it was and cover up the true death count from his incompetence.
We'll just wait for the autopsy to confirm. If they don't release one, then that's proof in of itself because Republicans would love for this not to be a covid related death and thus do what they always do, maintain semi plausible deniability.

this. Trump should be applauded for his two scoops, but nancy pelosi owning ice cream is unacceptable

>Covid has a death rate of .0001 or so. It's the comorbidities that make it deadly.
If I released a virus into the world that killed everybody with hypertension but left everybody without hypertension alone, we wouldn't describe that as a virus that killed 0% of people, we would describe it as a virus that killed 45% of people.

>Man who said covid not real dies of covid!
This type of headline has been repeated for many different stories either with a hidden comorbitity or no evidence the person was a denier.

Two more examples
>Nurse holds hands with dying covid denier who can't see his family
>Man repents his covid denial after daughter hospitalized with eyes bulging

>Covid has a death rate of .0001 or so.
[citation needed]

This, it's the same shit as stories that end with "everyone stood up and clapped", or stories that start with "my eight year old daughter [makes poignant political point about shit no normal eight year old cares about]"

>No evidence he was a denier
Now you're using the standard republican dirty tactic of claiming something that wasn't said.
No one said he was a denier, just that it he died of a diseases that his party tried to cover up and was willing to infect and kill people. See his tweet a few days before his death where he demanded teachers be forced to go back to work during the pandemic.
He was a monster who got what he deserved being killed by a disease he had no problem trying to condemn other people with, but for what we've seen so far, not a desire.

T-tucker Carlson, Hannity, Rush, Mypillowguy, Lou Dobbs, "Q" and Glorious God Emperor Dear Leader himself, blessed be his reign for infinity! Sig Heil, sig Heil!

>meanwhile, I love Trump who has never ever lied!
30,000+ lies in just 4 years, LMAO!

>Hey guys maybe we should not abridge every constitutional right because we are scared. This two weeks to flatten the curve has gone on a while and people are suffering from being out of work.
Wow this monster really deserves to die.

Curve wasn't flatted because people were selfish and refused to work for the common good.
These are the same people who'd hoard and scalp supplies if it was world war II. And then claim it's their constitutional right to do those things.

>Idea takes 2 weeks
>Idea didn't work
>Keep trying same idea for 50 weeks
If it doesn't work why are you doing it?

I refuse to believe anybody is stupid enough to actually believe what they're saying when shitposting like this.

>Regardless, trying to claim everything but covid killed him was a classic Trump tactic to make the pandemic look less worse than it was and cover up the true death count from his incompetence.
Meanwhile CNN literally removes their 24/7 infection/death ticker the day after Biden is inaugurated.

>Attempt idea
>People from states running cover ups don't follow it.
>Shills from said states running cover ups claim it's a failure
Hmmm...

>See his tweet a few days before his death where he demanded teachers be forced to go back to work
Maybe it's a bad idea to deny an entire generation years of education because of the threat of illness.

And?

So if it doesnt work because no one will entirely get on board and they never will , what makes you think still trying it will work. Especially when the longer this goes on, the less people will care to participate.

Jesus christ, Castors opening statements are pathetic. Complete Chewbacca shit.

>Curve wasn't flatted
There's zero rhyme or reason to infection rates nationally or across the globe, some places that never locked down are still fine, and some places that have been locked down for almost a year still have sky high infection rates. Meanwhile we're headed straight for a global mass recession because hundreds of millions of people have lost their jobs. How many people do you think will die from that, how many more will fall into poverty for a decade or more because the businesses around them have shuttered and those left aren't hiring anymore?

I don't understand how anybody can believe that it's not these countermeasures, rather than the virus itself, that's leading people towards disaster.

Sweden proves you wrong.
Sorry, but your mass genocide plan of 'herd mentality' with the vaccine will never happen.

And you're a retard if you don't think the virus wasn't a political issue being used by the media against the prior administration for the purpose of the election. Now that it's over they stop reporting what's become inconvenient.

>The virus wasn't a political issue
Until Trump made it one because he had no problem letting it kill people as long as it didn't hurt the stock market and then did everything in his power to ignore dealing with it, which caused the US to become the worst country in the world for it.

And this entire plan of the entire country quarantining is never gonna happen either. So its either do a half asset lockdown forever to no avail while the economy and peoples livelihoods are destroyed, or we let people get back to living their lives.

Hold up fag
it was made a political issue by the same people who turned two scoops of ice cream into a political issue or a feeding of koi fish into a political issue

Wrong, it was Trump that made it a political issue. Did you forget how he handled the pandemic? Of course you did.

And why wouldn't a full quarantine not work?

>one nation out of the whole world which has had a spike in cases after a fucking year of zero lockdown measures proves you wrong
Okay retard. That's exactly my point, there's no connection between lockdowns and case totals, places that have been locked down since the very start still have soaring cases and some places that haven't don't.

Hi yes Trump shouldn't have made two scoops of ice cream, ordering mcdonald's, putting ketchup on his steak, or feeding koi fish political issues.
Such was his downfall

>Yes
Thanks for agreeing.

>Until Trump made it one
>virus detected overseas
>try to halt travel to and from that country
>"no that's racist you fucking racist we can't do that, go hug a Chinese person"
>infection breaks out
>"wow who could have seen this coming why didn't you use executive power to force national martial law and curfews, we totally wouldn't have impeached you for this"
I refuse to believe you're actually this stupid.

China made it a political issue and handled it with an iron fist, dictatorially. And that turned out well for them.
Trump made it a political issue and allowed states to handle it as they see fit, very liberally.
And that didn't turn out well for him

>The country that attempted to do exactly what you wanted ended up being a complete failure
>THAT DOESN'T COUNT!
Hmmm... Really makes you think...

Because locking over three hundred million people in their residences for at least a month would result in mass starvation and a great depression that makes 1929 look like a fucking joke.

And then it's rendered completely pointless unless you permanently shutter all international travel at the same time.

>Still pushing the lie that Trump banned travel
apnews.com/article/d227b34b168e576bf5068b92a03c003d
Way to out yourself as a shill

See
Heavy handedness is the best way to deal with it. Trump was the absolute worst person to have on the job.

>complete failure
>country doesn't destroy it's economic stability
>ultimately just ends up with similar case rates as other countries with equitable populations that locked down and did fuck themselves anyway
???????????????

>Moving the goalposts
Hmmm... Really makes you think...

Because like it or not, republicans, Q peolple and trumps people will never go along with it. A lockdown only works if yoyre entire populace agrees. If half the country ignores the regulation than what is the point? The only way you'll make a lockdown work is if you go full dictator mode and we both know that wont happen

>NO TRUMP DIDN'T BAN TRAVEL FROM CHINA
>he just restricted it
>NO NANCY PELOCY DIDN'T "DANCE" IN CHINATOWN
>she just visited chinatown in San Francisco and visited various locales there out of protest
>NO BIDEN DID NOT OPPOSE A TRAVEL BAN
>he just said Trump was a fear-mongering xenophobe after the travel restrictions were announced
I think you might be the shill user.

You unironically believe that the Chinese are accurately reporting their case totals? This is the same government that arrests and jails reporters for speaking against the regime and has a social credit system that tanks your credit if you're critical of the government.

So because Republicans are selfish and Trump politized it, we shouldn't attempt it.

>Being this butthurt your lies got refused.
Still seething over the smear campaign against AOC getting exposed?

>AOC tells easily provable lie
>gets called out
>DIS A SMEAR CAMPAIGN!
No one is buying it. Your shilling is weak, ineffectual and, considering you dont have the balls to shill on Dab Forums, pathetic.

>Doubling down on the lie you told and were correctly called out for
>Now resorting to gas lighting
Ha

Yes. Because it does no one any good because the "selfish republicans" arent gonna go along with it. When your solution fixes no problems and only causes a different set of problems maybe its time for a different approach

>he just said Trump was a fear-mongering xenophobe after the travel restrictions were announced
He was talking about the stupid wall (that Mexico was gonna pay for) Trump tried to build as his personal monument, not China.

>Because people would rather do the wrong thing because they're selfish we shouldn't do it.
Why have any laws then?

These aren’t laws it’s a plan to keep everyone locked in their house for an undetermined indefinite amount of time. If you want to make it law than go ahead and advocate for the authoritarian route but don’t expect it to get any where

The sad part is that idiots just like you existed during the Spanish Flu pandemic.

At no point have you offered a realistic, feasible solution. I didn’t say I don’t or do support the lockdown, I laid out for you the reality of the situation and all you can do is bitch and moan and flirt with authoritarianism

You're such an ass it's nearly breathtaking. Lockdowns work, wearing masks work and mass vaccinations work. You can see the proof right there in the pudding if you look at different countries who took the first two of the three I mentioned very seriously during the entirety of the pandemic and see the differences in results.

So far what you've done is to equate a complete failure of widespread, consistent implementation of the first two measures with those measures not being useful AND you've tried to dance around and pretend that those same common sense measures are actually some shady means to make people stay home for some indeterminate reason. You're spouting such amazing b.s. lol

I just laid out for you why it won’t work unless you’re willing to keep people locked in their house at gunpoint and that isn’t an exaggeration. I haven’t said lock downs won’t work for any quantifiable reason, I said it won’t work with half the country refusing to lock down. Fucking idiot, you’re the one dancing around the entire point and straw manning me so you can avoid directly admitting you want authoritarianism

We must not underestimate the low intelligence of Americans, where 60% of adults believe in Creationism rather than evolution theory. Trump is just a symbol of arrogant, selfish, and poorly foresighted Americans.
His supporters, who are easily deceived by conspiracy theories and fake, are victims of inadequate low-level education.
What they need is not punishment, exclusion, criticism or neglect, i.e., hatred, but media/science literacy, logical thinking, problem-solving ability, treatment of delusional personality disorder by psychotherapy/counseling, i.e., love.
Thanks to political amateur Trump administration, the USA had been ridiculed from all over the world, and its international credibility, leadership, and persuasiveness have been lost.
Of course, there are people around the world who are self-indulgent in radical thought. Education is not perfect. But mob rule repeats itself if we don't provide the best education for our children

"Emotions Self-Responsibility Theory"

>You can see the proof right there in the pudding if you look at different countries who took the first two of the three I mentioned very seriously during the entirety of the pandemic and see the differences in results.
Is that why Japan just had another huge surge last month despite staying locked down and masked this entire time?

Covid is a fucking endemic disease, it is NEVER going away and no amount of lockdowns, masks, or vaccinations will make that the case. The damage these measures have done and will continue to do to economies from the local to the global level will put millions of people in poverty, while enriching corporate elites who've stayed open throughout the entire process because they've bought and paid for government officials not to hit them with the pressure. CEOs are literally raking in billions of dollars while average people are sitting in their homes on welfare and their children are deprived of education.
All this has done is destroy generations of people across the world in the name of the "public good".

Can I press s to shit instead? I didn't drink enough water beforehand, but plenty of beans if you know my drift

If it was lung cancer to kill him it would have done so before the COVID infection did. I think of this as the virus being the final nail in the coffin. The straw that breaks the camels back is the cause of death. Not sure if this is the proper view for a coroner though.

How is it misleading?

>Misleading headlines is lying because a huge percentage of people only read the headline and maybe first paragraph.
PEBKAC

>old age
Not even a cause of death.

>Covid has a death rate of .0001 or so.
Whether that number is true or not, apply that value to the current population of the US, forget the world. See how much people die to such a "benign" disease... It's that exact line of thinking you have there that caused your nation to have the highest death toll of all nations. Just a virus, yet it sure is kicking your asses

>sg.style.yahoo.com/cnn-says-tucker-carlson-lied-184230896.html
I see you're a Fucker Carlson fan. I'm surprised you even know how to turn the TV on, no less parse news this badly.

>a teacher's life for a student's right to education
Nah bro, that's not in the contract

>or we let people get back to living their lives.
With that option they won't have much life to live left. Why do you think these lockdown measures are so ineffective? Maybe the anti-lockdown sentiments, mask protests and straight up defiance of public health policies have something to do with it...?

Look at Vietnam. They took it seriously. The virus is killing you all much more than they did.

Can CNN sue Fox for defamation if Carlson refuses to retract his lie? I'm thinking people need to be a lot more lawsuit happy if they want the force the right wing to not constantly spew lies.

Right, so just fuck an entire generation of students out of a year of their education. But of course the public is still paying the same taxes for schools that aren't even fucking open.

>Japan
Guess they didn't take it seriously enough then. See Vietnam.

>Covid is a fucking endemic disease, it is NEVER going away and no amount of lockdowns, masks, or vaccinations will make that the case.
Ignoring the fact that it came from China, I guess Trump's incompetence to nip the virus in the bud has made it endemic, now.

>The damage these measures have done and will continue to do to economies from the local to the global level will put millions of people in poverty
Sure beats 472,000 dead. And counting!

>Right, so just fuck an entire generation of students out of a year of their education.
Absolutely. Beats fucking the science teachers lungs hands down. Sorry, your taxes are needed to buy vaccines, no refunds ty

That's right, they only run the ticker when they have corona segments. Pure coincidence they're airing less segments.

>Press S to spit on grave
he died of cancer, not covid-19. he had covid-19 but did not die from it.

>trump is racist for having more than 1 scoop of ice cream!!

Got proof to back that up? Because he was living with cancer just fine before he died of Trump virus.

>we wouldn't describe that as a virus that killed 0% of people
Depends who 'we' is

>See Vietnam.
What's your point here? The US shouldn't have fucking been in Vietnam to begin with.

>Ignoring the fact that it came from China, I guess Trump's incompetence to nip the virus in the bud has made it endemic, now.
So you're just going to ignore the fact that it spread through a country with over a BILLION fucking people in it AND went global reaching every fucking country in the world, and instead are just going to blame the sitting president at the time for it becoming endemic? Was he supposed to shut down all trade and travel to and from the US? Deny entry to US citizens abroad? Shut down the country like fucking Madagascar? For how long, indefinitely? Was he supposed to get every other hub of travel around the world to follow suit on this policy? And you think if he'd try to do anything like this he'd get support for it, rather than outright condemnation labeling him a wannabe-dictator for exorcising powers he didn't have?

>Sure beats 472,000 dead. And counting!
user poverty kills countless millions of people around the world every year. Even in first-world nations destitution massively increases the mortality rate and drives down the standard of living by huge amounts. Instituting measures that destroy people's livelihoods trying to prevent a disease that's never going away while continuing to enrich the billionaire class is self-destructive to an unbelievable degree.

>Haha yeah! You tell them! Hahaha!!! Tucker carlson, classic!!! LMAO!! haha yah, what a white supremacists you tell him!

Your really, really, truly, a faggot
cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html?fbclid=IwAR3DvH5umpJxiObUDTKBckeBAfqudrtvzWfQhYiUfHeEhCFeg5UXzalabGg
Infection Fatality Ratio† 0-19 years: 0.00002
20-49 years: 0.00007
50-69 years: 0.0025
70+ years: 0.028

>he was living with cancer just fine
Do you read what you post before your shill or are you yourself losing faith in your convictions?

Can you prove he died of something else other than the Trump virus? Because that's what he got before he died.

>cancer is never a long term slow illness
okay doctor, any suggestions on where to get my next bleach injections?

Glad you agree.

I mean Vietnam's lockdown approach. Only 35 dead in a country of 97 million. Right next to China too. And before the 35 deaths we've had 0 (Zero) deaths for months. Not our first rodeo with pandemics, but that goes for you too. You guys are more advanced than we are and yet you have x13,485.7 more deaths.

>So you're just going to ignore the fact...becoming endemic?
Considering he did nothing to stop it in its tracks, sure. Remember, it came from China. It was not native to America. It had time to develop a foothold on American soil as you currently suffer from. Better yet, Trump didn't stop it from doing so. It's right to blame him.

>Was he supposed to shut down...powers he didn't have?
Sure, that could work. Maybe a month of full lockdowns enacted through writ of executive orders, of which Trump is fond of. And given that at that time thousands of Americans would have died already, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find bipartisan support. Instead he faces full criticism for doing the opposite of a crackdown, which he deserves.

>user poverty kills countless millions of people around the world every year. Even in first-world nations destitution massively increases the mortality rate and drives down the standard of living by huge amounts.
I think drowning in your own lung fluid kills faster than poverty ever could. Side note, why is poverty so lethal in your nation anyways? No safety nets huh?

>Instituting measures that destroy people's livelihoods trying to prevent a disease that's never going away while continuing to enrich the billionaire class is self-destructive to an unbelievable degree.
I think COVID is more destructive given the death toll you have so far. Then again, why AREN'T you guys doing anything to make the disease go away, forget doing anything to stop it from coming? Why are the Uber rich getting away with it at all? Only in America...

>planning scenarios
>The parameters in the scenarios:
>Are estimates intended to support public health preparedness and planning.
>Are NOT (emphasis theirs) predictions of the expected effects of COVID-19.
>Do not reflect the impact of any behavioral changes, social distancing, or other interventions.

Ahh I remember debunking this months prior. Did you even open the link? I can see "planning scenarios" from the link itself without having to open it, though I've humored you this time.

S

lol seethe.

We'd be done with these lockdowns and restrictions if people like him believed in science and enforced proper rules.
I can't see my family because of these retards running the country, I'd piss on the grace too if I could.

>Considering he did nothing to stop it in its tracks, sure.
The executive branch of the federal government simply doesn't have the authority to institute a national lockdown in every state. It has the authority to issue travel bans, which was done, but even that didn't have bipartisan support at the time.

>Maybe a month of full lockdowns enacted through writ of executive orders, of which Trump is fond of. And given that at that time thousands of Americans would have died already, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find bipartisan support.
You don't understand the American political system. Not only would it not get bipartisan support, it would probably be an impeachable offense.

>I think drowning in your own lung fluid kills faster than poverty ever could.
Good thing covid isn't very lethal.

>No safety nets huh?
In fact there are various safety nets, that doesn't change the fact that mortality among the impoverished is raised. Except someone slitting their wrists because they have no future, or drinking themselves to death because they lost their home, or getting addicted to opioids because they've lost all social contact isn't as flashy an issue as the news reporting on covid every single day. The millions of small ways people get fucked over doesn't make headlines.

>Why are the Uber rich getting away with it at all?
Because in the wake of the crash in 2008 and the Occupy movement big business and banking interests co-opted the progressive movement and rebranded themselves as heroes for the downtrodden across the media. Combine with the fact that the neolib/neocon factions of both parties were already firmly in corporate pockets and you end up with about 3/4ths of the entire American political spectrum kowtowing to corporations. Better yet the last 1/4th is all about "muh freedoms" so there's a lack of ideological grounding in that camp for restricting their increasing power through the government.

He died after getting cancer

>>>/reddit/

>dancing on the graves of old dead people is worse than Hitler
>cancerous cells in a womens' wombs must be allowed to metastasize into spawn
But according to Republican "christian family values" the elderly and spawn shouldn't be allowed healthcare, food or shelter.

[x] Cringe

Why are you linking to home board? You aren't welcome here.

Tell me where they touched you

Here's a perfect quote that I think sums up the self-contradictory conservative ethos so perfectly

“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”

Imagine being so deep into doublethink that you insist your opponents are hateful remorseless monsters responsible for all the ills of the world while justifying murdering millions and supporting a party that's in the pocket of the selfsame elites you know to be crushing the lower classes under their fat fucking feet because "well at least they're not the OTHER guys, they're so stupid and backwards!"

You will continue to get betrayed and reamed up your faggoty-ass for years but love it the entire time but love it because the same people fucking you over will pay some lip service and play laugh tracks while mocking the other side so you'll get to do nothing and sink into ever-worse conditions but feel morally superior for being the good victim of those evil conservative scapegoats the whole while.

Wah wah.

>Imagine being so strawman strawman strawman stramwn strawman, strawman strawman strawman, name calling name calling name calling strawman?

Face it Evangelical, no one except dementia riddled alzheimers boomers who give all their worldly posessions to carnival barking conmen false prophets, be they Orange Fools or megachurch pastors, accept your and the GOP's utter hypocrisy which the user adroitly pointed out by giving you a sound buttblasting. Now, don't you have some legislation to finish writing ensuring the middle class keep getting poorer, the top 1% keep getting richer, and making sure the poor, refugees and elderly starve, and can't get healthcare or shelter? Jeebus would be so proud of you because at least you advocate executing lgbt's.

>no one except dementia riddled alzheimers boomers who give all their worldly posessions to carnival barking conmen false prophets,
The president is literally both these things.

>Now, don't you have some legislation to finish writing ensuring the middle class keep getting poorer, the top 1% keep getting richer, and making sure the poor, refugees and elderly starve, and can't get healthcare or shelter?
>places with the highest income gaps, richest 1%ers, most homeless, and most dysfunctional healthcare apparatus' are all run by democrats
>sure half the party may be geriatric and been actively selling out to corporate interests for like sixty years but they'll TOTALLY help us instead of stabbing us in the back AGAIN with the excuse that they were blocked in congress by those evil fucking republicunts even though they control both the house and senate

>places with the highest income gaps, richest 1%ers, most homeless, and most dysfunctional healthcare apparatus' are all run by democrats
Major cities, the areas with the largest numbers of people and industries producing the majority of wealth for the top 1%, will be dystopian shitholes under late stage capitalism no matter which major party controls them. With Republicants, they would be far worse because they would just put up signs like the Jim Crow era but instead of saying "niggah don't let the sun set on you in this city" it would say "poor, elderly, unhealthy, homeless, middle class don't let the sun set on you here." But thx for pointing out late stage capitalism is turning the US into a dystopian shithole.

>late stage capitalism
Amazing how we're always in late stage capitalism, and the only thing that ever happens is commies just keep changing the criteria for what constitutes late-stage capitalism and we just get more later-stage capitalism forever.

It's almost like commies and marxists are completely wrong about everything, and need to stop being given any credence to their obsolete crackpot ideology that was invented by Wall Street bankers to topple opposing countries who resisted their influence.

>it would say "poor, elderly, unhealthy, homeless, middle class don't let the sun set on you here."
Quality of life in major US cities in right-wing states are higher than in left-wing states though. In particular the homeless crisis throughout Californian cities is fucking legendary, but the retards there just keep voting the same people into power again and again because they mouth social platitudes to pander to a base obsessed with them.

>Quality of life in major US cities in right-wing states are higher than in left-wing states though
The "major cities" in red States look like a one horse town compared to cities in blue States. But even if your assertion were true which I don't believe it is, major cities in red States are run by Democrats also.

>The executive branch of the federal government simply doesn't have the authority to institute a national lockdown in every state. It has the authority to issue travel bans, which was done, but even that didn't have bipartisan support at the time.
Lockdowns aren't the only thing he could have done. Maybe not telling people to forsake masks and stay-at-home orders would have sufficed, hm?

>Not only would it not get bipartisan support, it would probably be an impeachable offense.
On what grounds? States rights only goes so far. You can still wring their arms as best you can, to have them obey, if their defiance towards a crackdown isn't devastating enough to their own people.

>Good thing covid isn't very lethal.
Tell that to your 483,000 (!) dead. Rose 11,000 dead in 2 days from my last post too!

>The millions of small ways people get fucked over doesn't make headlines.
Good thing they can always bootstrap themselves to success huh? That's the American way. Can't bootstrap your way out of a lung infection though, which should tell you why this is worse than poverty.

>Because in the wake of the crash in 2008 and the Occupy movement big business and banking interests co-opted the progressive movement and rebranded themselves as heroes for the downtrodden across the media...power through the government.
I thought it was lobbyists, cronyism, and hypercapitalism. This IS corporate America after all; the house always wins. The game (ie, your laws, politicians, legal precedent, even the mythos of the "American Dream") was always rigged from the start to favor the uber rich. Blame your leaders for exempting big box businesses, but blame yourselves for allowing yourselves to become utterly reliant on the philosophy that spawned them to begin with. Reap what you sow...though it shouldn't be this way.

Reminds me of the "Silent Majority" trope too. They're always on MY side!

Do you feel remorse for all the skin cells that flake off your greasy hair? Should others feel the same for the cells of a zygote?

>>places with the highest income gaps, richest 1%ers, most homeless, and most dysfunctional healthcare apparatus' are all run by democrats
This is not the case in Republican led areas because the people there are equally broke. All the poor, sick, and jobless flee to cities and raise the values for this reason, because at least they have a better chance there than in Flyoverville, USA.

High values never suggested that cities are responsible for it, more burdened by it. Sometimes by the folks fleeing from Flyoverville.

>In modern usage, late capitalism often refers to a new mix of high-tech advances, the concentration of (speculative) financial capital, Post-Fordism, and a growing gap between rich and poor.[16]
Sounds like the USA alright.

>Sounds like the USA alright.
Precisely. The US is becoming more and more a dystopian shithole which has led to the growth of the populist movement supporting Trump as a God sent messiah to part the waves and lead them across the red sea, when in reality he furthered their disenfranchisement and transfer of wealth from the middle class to the top 1% but promoted boogeymen as the cause of their predicament. And so desperate are they, that they believed his every lie. Don't get me wrong, things aren't going to improve under a status quo Biden just like they didn't improve under Obama. Our only hope is to move to Democratic Socialism a la Northern Europe. But overcoming the corporate mouthpiece rightwing's stranglehold on the media targeting the disenfranchised white magat equating democratic socialism with the anti-christ will be difficult if not impossible to overcome. Sadly, the American people are an extremely ignorant, easily brainwashed group. So it goes.

>Maybe not telling people to forsake masks and stay-at-home orders would have sufficed, hm?
You have cause and effect backwards, as usual. Anyone who would ignore mask mandates and stay at home orders is already very disposed towards doing so, statements in support of that is merely backing what people are already doing.
Besides, why should you care? I don't think you actually give a shit if a bunch of anti-maskers infect each other and die.
>On what grounds?
On the grounds that the president is reaching beyond the bounds of the authority of the executive branch and giving orders that aren't constitutional?
>if their defiance towards a crackdown isn't devastating enough to their own people.
The lockdowns will be more devastating in the long-term than the virus. It's practically destroyed the small business sector nationwide and handed monopoly status to box stores, mass retailers, and corporations.
>Tell that to your 483,000 (!) dead.Rose 11,000 dead in 2 days from my last post too!
Isn't every single person who's died since Biden took office Biden's fault? You yourself say the president has the authority to institute national lockdowns and mask mandates. He could activate martial law in all the hotspots today if he wanted to, and the democrats control the house and senate so there isn't even any threat of repercussion.
>That's the American way.
>"You can't bootstrap yourself out of poverty, that's a myth and the American dream is a lie."
>"Why yes we should impoverish millions of people, what's wrong with that?"
>I thought it was lobbyists, cronyism, and hypercapitalism.
Yes, it's runaway corporatism and they've made the progressive arm of the party their puppets just as the neolib core has been for decades. When both dyed in the wool communists and corporate media are backing someone that represents every failing of the government for the last half-century, you should recognize when you've been fucking had.

>Our only hope is to move to Democratic Socialism a la Northern Europe
lol no

> equating democratic socialism with the anti-christ
Because it is.

Are you sure you're not as hypocrite as them?

>oh look honey, grab the camera! Babby just fell in love with his first rightwing hack philosopher, Ayn Rand! Soooo cute!
I see you've also soiled your diapers while glued to the corporate mouthpiece rightwing media convincing you to demonise the very thing that will bring you out of your corporate slavery disenfranchisement.

>inb4 b-but I'm the top 1%

>while glued to the corporate mouthpiece rightwing media convincing you to demonise the very thing that will bring you out of your corporate slavery disenfranchisement.
So the corporate media is propaganda convincing you to demonize anything that opposes their agenda, but you've had no problem believing them wholesale for the last four years?
Just admit the only political position you give a fuck about is how much free shit you're promised, nothing other than that matters.

That's quite the rant. Are you okay?

>B..but I'm the top 1%
I make just shy of 100k a year. Socialism offers me nothing I don't already have with the exception of higher taxes.

Furthermore, I don't see how socialism is going to prevent the globalisation of labour and the financialization of our economy so I fail to see what it offers the working class
>Except higher taxes

>how much free shit you're promised
>workers, who literally produce the goods and services that owners currently obtain all of the profits from and consider labor simply a disposable commodity to be exploited, by obtaining a share OF THE PROFITS THEY ARE LITERALLY PRODUCING, are beggars getting free shit
This is the kind of corporate rightwing propaganda brainwashing we're forced to try and overcome in the United States of Ignorance. Couple that with their secondary propaganda appealing to brain dead Christian Evsngelicals that Democratic Socialism is an anti-christ, atheist, pagan worshipping, global Chomsky/Soros/Rothschilds jewish conspiracy to steal foreskins and Christian babies, and it becomes a very long row to hoe. Sad, many such cases.

>by obtaining a share OF THE PROFITS THEY ARE LITERALLY PRODUCING
That's called "pay."

You're describing China, not America

Nope. That's called disenfranchised slavery. But they and their mouthpieces of Sauron own you and you love it, although the cost of tongue boot polish remover has risen by 30% while your wages have remained stagnant. But you go gril!

>another country heard from
Vlad, pls, your puppet is hosed, the adults are speaking.

>providing goods in exchange for services is slavery

>chang triggered

It's not the fault of some Jewish Nazi capitalist media conspiracy from Mars that your weird apocalyptic cult from the early industrial age looks batshit insane to everyone except you. It's the fault of the weird apocalyptic cult. Maybe you will understand by the time you're old enough to hold responsibilities beyond going to school and walking the dog for mum.

Sauron is not real, boy. Just like Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. You're living in a fantasy world.

>That's called disenfranchised slavery.
You can't quit slavery and then live on the master's dime for free while you jerk off on Dab Forums all day to obsolete marxist theory

What user is referring to is coercion, not slavery. He's being a little edgy but his point is sound. Many would argue that a system in which you are forced between either working a low-paying job or starving and dying is not functionally different from a system in which you are forced to work for room and board or else your master threatens you with death. If you're a diabetic and I legally purchase all of the insulin in your state and tell you I'll only give you a vial if you eat my asshole for 4 hours straight there's a solid argument that what I'm doing to you is coercion that has certain parallels with slavery. Slaves could choose not to work, sure, but the consequences were deadly. The same is true of the insulin example.

>Democratic Socialism is Marxism
Time to detox from your rightwing corporate propaganda echo chambers kid. Perhaps your mum will conduct an intervention when she brings you your chicken tendies in her basement and sees you glassy eyed as you listen to corporate mouthpieces of Sauron weaving their magic spell over you 24/7.

The basic function of all life is,
>get resources, live
>fail, die
If anything the bar for absolute human failure of that test is incredibly high, isn't it absurdist idealism to say that not only should the failure state not apply to humans, but that the success state should be maximized for everyone?

Some percentage of ants are known to be chronically lazy and just take colony resources in exchange for nothing, but ants aren't smart enough to look and say "fuck you herd your own aphid".

Simply answer is that conservatives are more than one person. most are normal human beings that find this behavior deplorable no matter which side it comes from, but you are on Dab Forums because you like your opinions about the right to be validated.

>places with the highest income gaps, richest 1%ers, most homeless, and most dysfunctional healthcare apparatus' are all run by democrats
For the first two, all wealthy want to live in well-run areas, including wealthy rightists. They may have a vacation home or more outside the city but that's expendable, losing their place in a city would mean losing all their wealth. For the third, that's because liberal run areas have an actual demand for living space while rightists run areas aren't. Before you start cherrypicking state outflows, liberals are not moving from liberal areas to conservative areas, they are moving from liberal areas to other liberal areas.
>usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/health-care
As for healthcare, the last 10 states are exclusively or almost exclusively run by Republicans. The best 10 states are 8 Democrat, 1 Republican and 1 and even mix.

>isn't it absurdist idealism to say that not only should the failure state not apply to humans, but that the success state should be maximized for everyone
True. Its a good thing nobody is saying that. The argument, in my eyes, is that the less people we prevent from failing the better it is for the rest of the population. When someone's life and environment sucks and they turn to a life of crime or destruction or violence, we as a society pay for this. We pay to police them. We pay to imprison them. We pay to monitor them. We pay for the damage we cause. When we invest money into making sure this person's environment is better and they have better outcomes we all benefit - we save the money we would of spent on cleaning up their mess and we reap the benefits of adding another productive member of the society and the economy. This is why all available data we have on the matter shows that we're paid back sometimes $7-$10 in long term savings for every $1 we put into social programs.

>Some percentage of ants are known to be chronically lazy and just take colony resources in exchange for nothing, but ants aren't smart enough to look and say "fuck you herd your own aphid".
Except this behavior is just not statistically prevalent in humans. If what you're saying is true then there should be gigantic chunks of the population in nordic countries who just sit around and collect welfare and do nothing - except the statistical opposite is true. Nordic countries have the most welfare of all developed nations but have the highest employment rate, lowest recidivism rate, lowest incarceration rate, highest general happiness and the highest rates of class mobility. Statistically, when you provide people with the opportunity to earn a good living and provide for their family, they take it. What you're saying is just contrary to all of the data we have. This bullshit appeal to nature you're doing has no bearing on prescriptive arguments for what society should do.

>losing their place in a city would mean losing all their wealth.
Why...? Cities are some of the most expensive places in the US to live.
>For the third, that's because liberal run areas have an actual demand for living space while rightists run areas aren't.
Because leftist areas pack people like sardines.
>liberals are not moving from liberal areas to conservative areas, they are moving from liberal areas to other liberal areas.
They're moving from areas that have been intolerably ruined by leftism to leftist enclaves in right-wing states that have yet to decay to the point they can no longer deal with it.

Actually they all act the same way. Just look at their propaganda.

Yeah blacks are that way too every single one smokes crack, gangbangs, and sells drugs. Just listen to some rap music, especially the worst most vulgar example of it you can find.

>Many would argue that a system in which you are forced between either working a low-paying job or starving and dying is not functionally different from a system in which you are forced to work for room and board or else your master threatens you with death.
You know you can start your own job right?
Unless, of course, your argument is against work itself.

>start your own job right?
Ah yes, the gig economy where you lose all benefits and rights of being an employee but your hours are dictated by, and subminimal wage is paid by, an employer. Thx late stage capitalism!

I'm sure you have legitimate polling data to back that up?

>Why...? Cities are some of the most expensive places in the US to live.
Which is far outstripped by the opportunity they offer.
>Because leftist areas pack people like sardines.
You're confusing demand with how supply is provided.
>They're moving from areas that have been intolerably ruined by leftism to leftist enclaves in right-wing states that have yet to decay to the point they can no longer deal with it.
And yet, it's not just blue states subsidizing red states, it's blue cities inside of red states that subsidize red counties. (brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2016/11/29/another-clinton-trump-divide-high-output-america-vs-low-output-america/)

>Which is far outstripped by the opportunity they offer.
The opportunity to work at the same shitty retail and food chains that exist everywhere else? Covid showed that there's fundamentally no reason why so many people need to congregate for the sake of commuting to all types of high end corporate/technology focused work, in the modern day people can do a huge deal of that right from home.
>You're confusing demand with how supply is provided.
The supply of the living space is trash because urban sprawl is a blight on human life and the demand is artificially manufactured bullshit because it's either yuppy retards being duped into paying upwards of $1000 dollars a month to share a shoebox for the bohemian lifestyle or people who are dirt poor getting shuffled into low-income ghettos because they're dependent on DHS month to month and won't try to restart somewhere where the costs aren't so exorbitant.
>And yet, it's not just blue states subsidizing red states, it's blue cities inside of red states that subsidize red counties. (brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2016/11/29/another-clinton-trump-divide-high-output-america-vs-low-output-america/)
>two writers heading departments dedicated to expanding metropolitanism conflate the GDP of areas with dense corporate interests with individual economic sustainability and insist that the "high-output" of CEOs and multi-billion dollar companies is more relevant than the fact that the trend they reveal in their very research shows the monopolization of wealth and economic activity as billions are dumped into metro developments that merely line the pockets of the elites both political and economic
WOW who would have fucking guessed that a couple of neolibs make an argument as retarded as "look we're making more money, so that means you should give us more money!", and that you in turn would take them begging for even more subsidization as evidence they're subsidizing everyone else. Fuck off retard.

>Anyone who would ignore mask mandates and stay at home orders is already very disposed towards doing so,
Don't you think that's worth addressing?

>Besides, why should you care? I don't think you actually give a shit if a bunch of anti-maskers infect each other and die.
I care because they're people. Because they can infect others beyond themselves. And for the cynical, their deaths are bad for the economy. Less workers more downtime.

>On the grounds that the president is reaching beyond the bounds of the authority of the executive branch and giving orders that aren't constitutional?
And how is it beyond his power and unconstitutional specifically? The governors don't run the country the president does. Nor are bills alone the only way to get things done. You act as if the president is powerless and can't just whip up a memo.

>It's practically destroyed the small business sector nationwide and handed monopoly status to box stores, mass retailers, and corporations.
Maybe preventing the virus itself is a good idea then? Things didn't have to end up this way. And if monopolies form, then either whip out the trust busters or sit on your hands because your laws already favor big business, making it moot.

>Isn't every single person who's died since Biden took office Biden's fault? You yourself say the president has the authority to institute national lockdowns and mask mandates. He could activate martial law in all the hotspots today if he wanted to
It would be Biden's fault yes, but I'm giving him a head start with his COVID task force. By the time it hits 750K to a million dead, you and I can expect the brakes to be slammed. Already halfway there...

>When both dyed in the wool communists and corporate media are backing someone that represents every failing of the government for the last half-century, you should recognize when you've been fucking had.
I'll take a governmental failure over a business failure. At least it's the proper role.

>Already halfway there...
Easy to say when the WHO literally changed how it reports Covid statstics a literal hour after he was inaugurated.

>In what some have suggested is politicized timing, the World Health Organization on Wednesday changed the protocol for COVID-19 tests, which will result in large reductions in the numbers of positive cases. The body took this action just one hour after Joe Biden was sworn in as president of the United States.

>On Wednesday, the World Health Organization (WHO) issued guidance regarding the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test, which is being widely used across the globe in order to detect cases of COVID-19. In a short information notice, the WHO referred back to an instruction booklet for COVID testing, released in September 2020, noting that “careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed.”

>The guidance warned against diagnosing someone as having the virus just because he tests positive if he does not present with symptoms of COVID-19. It also warned about the high risk of false positives: “The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.”

>“As disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases. The probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity,” the WHO continued.
lifesitenews.com/news/one-hour-after-biden-inaugurated-who-changes-covid-testing-criteria
who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

>the facts
>trump virus
>press s to spit on grave
>they deserve death for supporting republicans
Wow some nice "facts" you've got there you fucking wacko.

>The governors don't run the country the president does.
I don't think you understand how the US government works. Yes, governors DO run the states rather than the executive branch of the federal government. Generally each state government is patterned off the federal government and the day to day running of each state is up to the three branches of government therein. The president's extends to federal matters, which is to say if he wanted to issue mandates for masks he only has the direct power to do that for federal employees and for federal buildings. Otherwise he can only kick it down to governors and state legislatures with some pay-for-play BS like "do this or I'll axe some of your funding", then it's up to the state powers how they want to go forward. And then if such orders are passed, challenges go up through the state court systems and possibly to the federal courts depending on how far it's pushed, in the case of a number of states we've already seen several governor's EO's declared unconstitutional according to either the state or federal constitutions.

>Things didn't have to end up this way. And if monopolies form, then either whip out the trust busters or sit on your hands because your laws already favor big business, making it moot.
You're incredibly naïve. There are already many anti-monopoly laws on the books, they're just not enforced because big businesses pay for that to be so. And if you think this isn't exactly how things were supposed to turn out, you're very wrong.

>I'll take a governmental failure over a business failure. At least it's the proper role.
It's not a failure from their perspective.

Covid-19 is a hoax

He died from cancer
>FAKE PANDEMIC IS FAKE

Trump literally screamed at Kushnar to stop encouraging testing because it made him look bad and publicly stated if we don't test for covid it won't exist. Some of his most fervent zombie Governors like Desantis and Noem did just that, meanwhile having widespread outbreaks and in Noem's case the highest number of infections and deaths per capita in the world at one point. Stop being an ignorant cult bootlicker. Biden is at least putting a full court press on the pandemic instead of pretending it didn't exist and spending the last 6 months in office entirely ignoring it to focus on the "Big Lie" to overthrow Democracy and crown himself king.

>overthrow Democracy and crown himself king.
>the "Big Lie"

>Biden is at least putting a full court press on the pandemic
Full court press= The WHO changing it's reporting methods for collecting statstics of cases a literal hour after his inauguration.

>Easy to say when the WHO literally changed how it reports Covid statstics a literal hour after he was inaugurated
Who? The WHO? Who's talking about the WHO? Your own alphabet agencies are reporting the death tolls, like the CDC.

>Yes, governors DO run the states rather than the executive branch of the federal government.
Indeed. Which is why I said "country" instead. I know about that ass-backwards "states rights" system you got over there. Somehow the parts there are greater that the whole.

>Otherwise he can only kick it down to governors and state legislatures with some pay-for-play BS like "do this or I'll axe some of your funding", then it's up to the state powers how they want to go forward. And then if such orders are passed, challenges go up through the state court systems and possibly to the federal courts depending on how far it's pushed, in the case of a number of states we've already seen several governor's EO's declared unconstitutional according to either the state or federal constitutions.
Yes. Trump did nothing here. And I'm not talking about States EOs, I'm talking Presidential EOs. More clout.

>There are already many anti-monopoly laws on the books, they're just not enforced because big businesses pay for that to be so. And if you think this isn't exactly how things were supposed to turn out, you're very wrong.
Indeed. I did say it's all moot. This is corporate America we're talking about. Doesn't mean you should let the tail wag the dog.

>It's not a failure from their perspective.
Then this is a failure of your whole government, beyond individual governmental failures. Better change that.

If anything, your government's failure to crack down early on the virus is enriching and empowering Big Pharma. If your tax dollars aren't going straight to those 2K stimulus checks, it's going to these execs' bank accounts. Maybe cracking down hard, fast, and early could have prevented this..?

Who cares about the WHO? Trump himself did not even believe his own people's reporting, forget anyone else. It's utterly ironic how he himself got infected with COVID after downplaying it for so long. Even a god-king can bleed...from his lungs.

>Regardless, trying to claim everything but covid killed him was a classic Trump tactic to make the pandemic look less worse than it was and cover up the true death count from his incompetence.
why do lefties keep insisting that its Trumps fault that covid happened and that he is entirely responsible for making it go away?

>It's utterly ironic how he himself got infected with COVID after downplaying it for so long. Even a god-king can bleed...from his lungs.
ah yes and he certainly died from it didnt he? oh wait no he just went on about how it was fucking nothing. lmao so mad lefty

>Indeed. Which is why I said "country" instead. I know about that ass-backwards "states rights" system you got over there. Somehow the parts there are greater that the whole.
The idea is that each state is in fact a state unto itself, individual nations banded together into a confederation.
If you're a Eurofag please look forward to the erosion of your national sovereignty over time just as has happened to states in the US.

>Maybe cracking down hard, fast, and early could have prevented this..?
>Maybe instead of selling out to corporations by buying their drugs you should have sold out to corporations by obliterating your small-business economy and giving corporations defacto monopolies in every state in the country
Fucking genius user, really forward-thinking.

Can't say the same for the rest of your dead, or your reputation. This shitshow isn't mine to be mad about.

>the erosion of your national sovereignty over time just as has happened to states in the US.
You said it yourself. They're states not countries. Having states with more power than the leader of the "Confederacy" they joined is ass-backwards. That is, if you ignore the fact states are dependent on federal funding, and thus, control. Twist their arm, but I didn't expect Trump to do so, of all the other things he could have done, which is on him.

>Fucking genius user, really forward-thinking.
Proud of it. It's almost like your society explicitly permitted this to happen? You don't have a choice BUT to buy the drugs, or lock down the nation. And you're surprised big business is winning no matter what you do? You brought this on yourselves.

Too bad Trump did nothing to prevent this at all, but given he's a businessman over a leader, he probably did this on purpose. My only regret is for your dead.

He prevented the Doctors from releasing info on just how critical his situation was. And when he did his Mussolini act from the balcony, a number of MD's pointed out his gasping for breath and the fact his neck muscles were straining when he took a breath, classic signs of low blood oxygen and degraded lung efficiency.

Oh, and btw, it was muh scary socialised government medical care he received although he's a "billionaire." You know, that same socialised medical care the members of Congress who are made up of mostly millionaires receive, but according to the Republicans in Congress would kill everyone and turn the US into Venezuela. "Animal Farm," anyone?

>They're states not countries.
user even if images could be posted on this board none exist that can express how disappointed I am in you. Go read a fucking dictionary.

>Having states with more power than the leader of the "Confederacy" they joined is ass-backwards.
>just give up your independence and autonomy bro

>if you ignore the fact states are dependent on federal funding,
The US wasn't designed for states to be dependent on federal funding, it's a development brought on by a hundred years of shit governance.

>It's almost like your society explicitly permitted this to happen?
Nigger it's not constitutionalism that leads the government to ignore it's own fucking anti-trust laws. It's almost like power corrupts and allowing the government to grow so massive and unaccountable is exactly what fucks everyone over, but somehow your solution is just to give it even MORE powers and control and somehow that will solve everything.

>It's almost like power corrupts and allowing the CORPORATIONS to grow so massive and unaccountable is exactly what fucks everyone over, but somehow your solution is just to give THEM even MORE powers and control and somehow that will solve everything.
ftfy, Ayn Rand disciple.

>ftfy, Ayn Rand disciple.
The influence power has been a known constant for as long as human history has been fucking recorded. It wasn't fucking Ayn Rand that specifically designed a government that separates it's powers into different structures with the intent of them checking each other while also enshrining individual and state autonomy into it's founding documents. It's exactly all that being broken down through centuries that's wrecked the system and led to the government being utterly unaccountable as it slips into complete oligarchy.

It was both Trump's fault for allowing it to spread as far and rapidly as it did and for completely botching the roll out of the vaccine.

Ah yes, the cancer called COVID-19,

it would have helped getting people on board if politicians like the one in OP and Trump didnt completely condemn the idea of any sort of mitigation tactics toward the spread of covid

were those the same people that turned a beige suit and dijon mustard into a political issue?

you dont need to be in one designated location to absorb information

This, Trump politicizing COVID-19 was the most damaging thing.

And guess what, people will still vote Democrat because half a loaf of bread is better than no bread at all. There's being greedy, and then there's being a Republican; the difference between the two is that Republicans don't understand the need to give if they want to take.

Also, consider that masturbation itself would be 'mass murder' by pro-life standards, because every single one of your sperm has the potential to be a child. Maybe you should keep your own hands above the covers before accusing others of dirtying theirs.

>Go read a fucking dictionary.
I don't recall Nebraska, forget the rest, being a country. Go read my fucking post.

>>just give up your independence and autonomy bro
You know what happens to secessionists. You never had "independence" when your "state" joined the USA. Where do you think your funding comes from?

>The US wasn't designed for states to be dependent on federal funding, it's a development brought on by a hundred years of shit governance.
So you admit it's been brought on then? Greeeat. You'll hold onto your autonomy till your last dying breath, how noble. Problem is, COVID seems to be taking it away a lot faster than you think.

>It's almost like power corrupts and allowing the government to grow so massive and unaccountable is exactly what fucks everyone over, but somehow your solution is just to give it even MORE powers and control and somehow that will solve everything.
Well giving it less power isn't working out well, now is it? The mark of insanity is to try the same thing and expect different results. If sitting on your hands and doing nothing to contain the spread of the virus got you close to a half million dead, don't you think it's insane to double down? Blame your lobbyists, blame your laws, and blame your legislators for Big Business' boom. But right now you're damned whatever you do, so pick the deed that saves lives.

I'd almost suspect you to be a filthy corporatist, since you seem keen on prolonging the pandemic yourself. More victims, more vaccines to sell. Like pottery.

Haha. Later ass-wipe

S

What do you think is the cause of that again? Maybe it's your "money over morals" schtick you got going on. Corporations have more rights than people, but only because your country allowed them as much. Your shits fucked 6 ways to Sunday; its almost poetic to see your capitalist country consume itself. Are you surprised your Walmarts are still open, or that Big Pharma is making a killing selling you cures? The "house" always wins in your country, but right now the people who inhabit it aren't. 490,000 losers to date. You gonna fix that?

Whether you lock down or not, your corporations will always come out on top. But I know locking down will kill far less than what you have tried. You're top of the list for death tolls for a reason.

>people will still vote Democrat because half a loaf of bread is better than no bread at all. There's being greedy, and then there's being a Republican; the difference between the two is that Republicans don't understand the need to give if they want to take.
>Buying into propaganda that you're worthless and could never provide for yourself, so you need to vote a party into power in perpetuity no matter how hard they fuck you
>Also, consider that masturbation itself would be 'mass murder' by pro-life standards, because every single one of your sperm has the potential to be a child.
You stupid fuck, nobody with an ounce of sense considers some sperm or a chick's menstruation as being a child. It's when the fucking egg is fertilized and a unique DNA sequence forms from both parent's cells that a human being comes into existence. Any other standard is retarded goalpost-moving.

>I don't recall Nebraska, forget the rest, being a country. Go read my fucking post.
user the term "United States of America" refers to a union of individual nation-states coming together with a federalist union. Just because you don't know what the word "state" means that doesn't give you an excuse to be so ignorant, if you want to talk about American politics at least learn the basics.

>You know what happens to secessionists. You never had "independence" when your "state" joined the USA.
Just because a hundred years of corruption has ballooned the role of the federal government and done everything possible to diminish the autonomy of the states that doesn't change the fact that at it's core the US is not some monarchical system. The states have the right to tell the federal government to fuck off in a number of ways, for example if lockdowns and mandates were federally attempted they'd be struck down in various state courts pretty swiftly, as they have been in a few cases.

>Where do you think your funding comes from?
State taxes exist mien negro.

>You'll hold onto your autonomy till your last dying breath, how noble.
What part of "give me liberty, or give me death" do you not understand? Freedom>safety is literally the core basis of the American system. I know you're not American so this shit is alien to you, so I don't know why you bother trying to argue over a political enterprise you know nothing about.

>Well giving it less power isn't working out well, now is it?
What part of the last century, nevermind the last few decades, has exemplified giving the government LESS power? It's exactly the opposite, all it's done is expand and create artificial monopolies in every sector it can, the lockdowns killing small business is symptom of that exact fucking thing.

>I'd almost suspect you to be a filthy corporatist,
Somebody stupid enough to actually believe corporations DON'T want mass lockdowns when it actively benefits them would think that, yes.

>You're top of the list for death tolls for a reason.
And that reason is propagandistic counting.

The vaccine will make impossible the post-detection of antibodies to determine who did and did not catch it at some point in time

>zygotes are anything but
Yeah, Ima need a source for that

>propagandistic counting
Yeah, Ima need a source for that

>Just because you don't know what the word "state" means that doesn't give you an excuse to be so ignorant, if you want to talk about American politics at least learn the basics.
Good thing I'm talking about countries then. Still don't recall Nebraska, forget the rest, being one. Federated states ≠ sovereign states. Nebraska ≠ United States of America. At least learn the basics.

>doesn't change the fact that at it's core the US is not some monarchical system
Indeed. It's a federal system. You tell the feds to fuck off, their money fucks off too. You break away from the feds, a civil war will be fought to reclaim you.

>if lockdowns and mandates were federally attempted they'd be struck down in various state courts pretty swiftly, as they have been in a few cases.
Like?

>State taxes exist mien negro.
So whats keeping your state then? Doors open, yet they're still here.

>What part of "give me liberty, or give me death" do you not understand?
You guys got that latter part down pat. Those who sacrifice safety for freedom deserve neither. You're pursuing independence to a fault and turning it to selfishness, the lot of you.

>What part of the last century, nevermind the last few decades, has exemplified giving the government LESS power?
You're living in it. Your past government was so incompetent they deserved their power stricken from their hands by voters. Just cuz your government sucks ass doesn't mean empowering governments does too. Look beyond your fishbowl of a philosophy. Other nations do it fine, really, any nation but yours.

>Somebody stupid enough to actually believe corporations DON'T want mass lockdowns when it actively benefits them
I'm sure the pharmaceutical and funeral industry wouldn't want lockdowns either, at the very least. Glad you share the same sentiment as they. And if your leaders gave those megacorps of yours special treatment, they too think like you do. All about greed.

You and yourcountry are fucking cautionary tales.

>And that reason is propagandistic counting.
Every country which isn't actually third-world is counting the same way, and you're still winning.

You have no idea what a zygote is if you think that response is a rebuttal

>Federated states ≠ sovereign states.
It doesn't appear that you think there's any difference between a state and an incorporated territory like Puerto Rico, that is not the case.

>You tell the feds to fuck off, their money fucks off too.
You know that the federal government denying a state the entirety of it's federal funding as a threat is political suicide, right? At best it can cut funding to specific programs. Federal dollars don't even come close to the majority of any state's total funding anyway.

>Like?
Relevant to the issue of authority would be the case that ruled the Michigan governor had exceeded the bounds of the emergency measures she was using as justifications for her orders, and that she had no authority to issue or renew emergency orders beyond the initial deadline.
This is pretty standard in the US, that emergency ordinances have end dates and can't persist indefinitely.

>So whats keeping your state then?
Most states prefer to remain part of the union, the federal government hasn't challenged any serious effort to leave since the Civil War, and ostensibly the Civil War wasn't strictly about succession anyway.

>Those who sacrifice safety for freedom deserve neither
You have it exactly backwards you retard. How stupid do you have to be to actually think you'll get safety by giving up freedom? You'll just be fucked even harder in even more ways, and the "threats" that spurred the surrender to begin with will NEVER go away.

>You're living in it.
I refuse to believe you can rationalize the current US as having too little power.

>Other nations do it fine
Lmao spoken like a true Eurofag. How many bankrupt nations does your union have again? The riots last year in the US are a constant occurrence in Greece and Spain. And I'm sure their total lack of freedoms is really helping the slave classes in China or the banana republics in SA.

>I'm sure the pharmaceutical and funeral industry wouldn't want lockdowns either,
They do you stupid fuck.

>Federal dollars don't even come close to the majority of any state's total funding anyway.
Wrong. There are a number of red States whose State budgets are made up of 40%+ Fed Tax dollars and many more 30%+. The irony is, those red States scream the loudest about muh socialism when they would collapse w/o Fed money propping them up.

>There are a number of red States whose State budgets are made up of 40%+ Fed Tax dollars and many more 30%+.
I don't know how you can claim that federal dollars don't come close to making up the majority of any state's funding is wrong only to immediately admit that it's true anyway.
FYI the average percent/budget of federal funding across all states is 25%. No state is below 16% and no state is above 36%, both red states and blue states range across the board for the proportion of funding they receive and the most dependent state by far is New Mexico.

As was pointed out to you last time, doofus, many of those states are getting the money they raised back from the federal government. So by keeping their tax rates the same but not giving the money to the Fed they would be able to maintain their current spending.

As I demonstrated, at your behest, the State of Kentucky could LOWER its taxes and still cover the 40% of their budget that comes from the Fed.

I remember that thread. Several of us BTFO of you with sources. No I'm not going to rehash it today, but you were buttblasted mercilessly.

Wrong.

>The map below shows the extent to which federal aid comprised each state’s total general revenue in FY 2017 (the most recent year of data available). That year, the states where federal aid made up the largest share of general revenue were Montana (46.1 percent), Wyoming (44.5 percent), Louisiana (43.7 percent), Mississippi (43.3 percent), and Arizona (43.1 percent). The states for which federal aid made up the smallest share of state general revenue were Hawaii (20.7 percent), Virginia (21.1 percent), Kansas (23.3 percent), Utah (24.2 percent), and Minnesota (26.0 percent)

taxfoundation.org/state-federal-aid-reliance-2020/

Okay retard.
moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/
And lol, maybe you should consider the actual raw numbers here. Look at the federal taxes PAID vs the federal aid RECIEVED. For example, Montana there would be the most "reliant" state with 46% of it's revenue coming from federal aid. But if you look at the trends, Montana actually pays MORE in federal taxes than it receives in federal aid.

ballotpedia.org/Federal_aid_to_state_budgets
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state

Meaning, that percentage of federal aid you're using to claim it's more dependent is in fact LESS MONEY THAN IT WOULD GET IF IT WERE JUST EXECUTING THE TAX ITSELF.

Rather than showing how "dependent" the states are, comparing the revenue/aid directly shows how much they're being fleeced for.

Ok retard. Here's another one to BTFO of your skinny little ass. Tell your anime doll I'm sorry for the bruising you had to take.

smartasset.com/taxes/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-2020

I'm going to butt in here and say it's not so clear and getting the bottom of this problem will have 100's of conflicting answered because of the fuzzy interpretation of "paying federal money" vs "receiving federal money"
Is medicaid federal money?
Social security?
Federal employee salary?
Farm subsidy?
Ssdi?

I mean, far subsidy itself makes a huge difference. That's not money farmers get because they need govt assistance, it's money they get because the govt wants cheap food to feed livestock with

>gets BTFO
>does a hasty google search and posts the same shit again
Lmao.

The exact specifics of what you define as "federal aid" is debatable, yes. Still, when the federal tax comes out to several billion, tens of billions, or even hundreds of billions of dollars depending on the state, it's really not believable that aid, especially when counted as part of state budgets as has been discussed, can possibly be covering and exceeding the tax burden. On the face of it, it follows that if you just cut out the middleman and collect the taxes yourself, you'd be making more money. If the issue then is various federal programs and positions, why not have state programs and positions do the same thing? In-state social security and subsidies can surely exist.

I mean this entire tangent was started because someone proposed "just threaten to cut state federal funding to push your agenda bro", does it really even make sense to count federal programs as art of that equation at all? Is the president supposed to cut social security, Medicaid, SSDI, and federal employees' wages for people in a state because the government of that state doesn't want to comply with otherwise unenforceable executive mandates?
That seems really fucking retarded.

>Is the president supposed to cut social security, Medicaid, SSDI, and federal employees' wages for people in a state because the government of that state doesn't want to comply with otherwise unenforceable executive mandates?
No that's pretty fucked up.
It's that a Trump-scare or a Biden-scare?

>Is the president supposed to cut social security, Medicaid, SSDI, and federal employees' wages for people in a state because the government of that state doesn't want to comply with otherwise unenforceable executive mandates?
You can thank the Republican Supreme Court for allowing the executive branch to unilaterally decide funding issues and take it out of the hands of congress when they ruled that Trump could steal money from the troops to fund his failed wall.

You understand that the military budget and states' budgets are not the same thing, right?

why don't liberals have any empathy? the guy is dead, try putting your hate aside for one second

Go violate your mandatory mask ordinance and social distancing rules by gathering with other like minded individuals packed together coughing on each other to "totally pwn the libs, right goys?" Meanwhile we'll happily do a feisty jig on your little plot of forever earth.

you have allowed yourself to become so radicalized by politics that you no longer have empathy for your fellow countrymen
i hope my country doesn't become like yours

>Meanwhile we'll happily do a feisty jig
The only jig you do is when you get out of bed into your mobility scooter and you ride to the welfare office, if you tried to stand your knees would explode faster than Cuomo's credibility.

I celebrate when karma smacks down retards who have knowingly and intentionally endangered peoples lives. It gives one a sense of satisfaction that divine justice sometimes wins. I would celebrate any anti-masker/social distance fools' slow tortuous death from covid.

>I would celebrate any anti-masker/social distance fools' slow tortuous death from covid.
Well so far you're pretty much just celebrating the death of old people who were victims of mismanagement by Democratic governors, given they make up the vast majority of Covid deaths.

We both know you can't do a feisty jig user. :^)

You'll have to explain how Social Security is a state and not federal program that Biden has influence over. Espeically after Trump tried to destroy it.

Social Security is non-discretionary spending, military spending is discretionary spending. Unless you remove the foundational legislation not even Congress can kill social security.

Your ignorance is offensive, remedy it.

first day on Dab Forums? this is how everyone here is

>Espeically after Trump tried to destroy it.
I heard he used his infinity gauntlet and erased it and it wasn't until the Avengers of Woke went back in time to destroy the infinity gauntlet that social security was saved

Strange you should say that. Just a short time ago that zombie cultist Noem's State SD had the highest covid death rate and cases per capita of any place in the world. And she followed Trump's guidance of pretend it doesn't exist and it really won't exist anymore...like super duper magic!

Kiss me, I'm Irish-American ;^)

That didn't stop Trump from trying.

Remember when everyone was racist against the Irish?

>Ron and Susan Wright shared a deep and abiding relationship with their Lord and Savior.

But Trump is out of office and his coup failed.

Rush Limbaugh is still dead and Trump is a traitor to your country.

C. O. P. E.

He died in 2013.