Dems don't want to give stimulus to the middle class

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Though she has kept her job as an executive assistant throughout the pandemic, Marie, who asked to be identified by her middle name to protect her privacy, says her budget has still been stretched thin.

The mother-of-two’s employer reduced her salary by 15%, she no longer picks up extra income as a part-time Uber driver due to safety concerns, and she had to pay for her son’s daycare to keep his spot despite the fact that he was at home with her at the beginning of the pandemic. She’s accrued around $4,000 in debt over the course of the pandemic and is currently two months late on daycare payments.

Now, with the news that Congress is considering lowering the income eligibility threshold for the third round of stimulus payments from $75,000 to $50,000 for individuals and from $150,000 for married couples to $100,000, Marie’s money worries are compounding. She is “terrified” that she will no longer qualify because she earned around $60,000 in 2019. (The Washington Post reported that heads of household earning up to $75,000 would still qualify for the full $1,400 payments under the new thresholds.)

“I was banking on that money,” says Marie, who lives in Maryland. “The fact that they’re changing it and setting this strict cutoff is totally unreasonable for anybody who lives in a high-cost-of-living area. It’s wrong.”

She is one of dozens of people who reached out to CNBC Make It to express frustration about the possible change to eligibility for the $1,400 payment. Many, like Marie, say Democrats would be reneging on their campaign promise to provide $2,000 in direct relief payments to struggling Americans if they send them to fewer people.

“Taking money away from people after you’ve promised it to them is not the way to start,” says Marie, referring to the fact that Democrats now control the White House, House of Representatives and Senate. “I think this is a horrible plan that threatens security to many people.”

The debate over targeting payments
Brian Jensvold feels similarly. The 32-year-old makes just over $60,000 per year as an IT specialist in Oregon. He also rents out two bedrooms in his home, and, before Covid, occasionally worked as a ride-share driver for extra income. During the pandemic, he lost his tenants for a few months when they could no longer afford rent and he stopped driving part-time due to safety concerns.

Jensvold says it is “short-sighted” for politicians to base stimulus check eligibility off of 2019 income when millions of lives changed dramatically in 2020. It would be better if some people who don’t need the money got a payment, rather than for those who do need it to be left out completely, he says.

If Congress is going to change eligibility, he believes they should base the payments on 2020 income. (At the moment, it’s not clear what year Congress will base the payments on. The first two used 2019 income, but those who would have qualified based on 2020 can claim a credit on their upcoming tax returns.)

“It almost feels like a targeted attack to those of us in the middle,” he says.

Democrats are reportedly “splintered” over whether to lower the income eligibility thresholds, according to The Washington Post. More moderate lawmakers like Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., argue lowering the income limits would prevent wealthy families from getting money they don’t need. But other Democrats say that a $50,000 limit for individuals and $100,000 for couples is too low and would exclude many households that desperately need the money.

This is the one republicans unanimously voted down, right?

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Monday that negotiations about the relief package are still ongoing, and that no decision had been made on the income eligibility issue for the stimulus payments.

Cheryl Carpenter, a 72-year-old Illinois resident, is claimed as an adult dependent on her daughter’s taxes, and did not qualify for the first two checks. She tells CNBC Make It that she was “so excited and so happy” when President Joe Biden proposed including all dependents in the third round. But with the income limits, she worries her entire family will now be left out.

“I thought, ‘Oh wow, here’s a chance for me to stock up on my groceries and get a few extra things for myself and not have to be pinching every penny to do it,’” says Carpenter. “I’m not asking for the world, I just thought I was going to have a little extra money.”

I don't want to be mean to this lady, but if she makes 60k a year she is in the top 20% of Americans, and on top of that how would 1.4k change anything for her? That is what, half a paycheck for her?

Imagine being dumb enough to believe the made up shit on the demswatchdog twitter account.

If you are referring to Marie, she said she made 60K in 2019 (before the pandemic) and since then has taken a 15% salary cut and lost her side job as an uber driver. So the $1.4k would offset the $9k+ she lost in 2020. Sure there are people who have been impacted more, but it isn't like she skated through 2020 unscathed.

Then her taxes would reflect making less than 50k a year, qualifying her for help. Or dose she have a husband making the exact same amount and has truly mismanaged her assets?

Don't worry middle class Americans. Not only will you miss out on relief but your taxes will be raised to pay for it!

Not if the stimulus uses the 2019 tax return to determine income or she is unable to file due to a delayed/erroneous W2 or whatever other forms she may have. Also, 60k-9k=51k so she would be just above the threshold. Really depends on of she rounded up or down when referencing her salary (I am going to assume down since that gets more sympathy in this kind of story). In any case, I don't claim to know her specific situation beyond what is in the article.

Why would you go onto the internet and intentionally tell lies?

You mean the Trump Tax Hike on the middle class.

Well I am going to assume she is single based on the 100k threshold of married couples. Also if she filed for 60k in income while working uber as well she was only making 1.5k a year off of uber. Assuming she lives in a metro area where rates where high, that's like 2 hours of uber for 2 weeks. Then also in the article we have the it guy who we are supposed to feel bad for when he is a landlord who evicted his tenants then was surprised when no one else showed up to rent when he could have just as easily decreased the rent. He also did uber for some god forsaken reason (what is it with these middle class people doing uber? The first lady wasn't even making enough to cover the wear on her car. Is it about finding 20 year olds to party with what the fuck) Then we have the retiree who is making more than 50k in passive income that we are supposed to feel bad for. She isn't tied to a metro area in the least and would most likely live longer if she moved out of the smog.

Me and my wife made less than 30k last year together and we have a kid with one more on the way. I don't live in a major metro area but I don't live in bumfuck nowhere either. I would say cost of living is about middle of the road for the nation where we live, maybe bottom of the upper half. I am really having a hard time feeling bad for these people when it just sounds like they decided to live beyond there means and are now getting bit in the ass by debt culture that they benefited from. To most of these people they make 1.4k in literally a week. It takes me a month to get to that point. What would these people do if they caught the flu and went down for most of a week and there job denied sick leave because they already had been sick earlier in the year?

It's hilarious when pandemic landlords screw themselves over. There goes the investment! lol

Yeah it's been nice not hearing from the "dude just own rental properties!" crowd in a year.

>be libtard in dem shithole city
>make $65k in "service economy"
>covid strikes
>local dem government closes the place where you work
>income now: $0k
>RAAAAH TRUMP FAULT
>show orange cheeto
>vote for biden
>pres biden: looks like you made $65k, you shouldn't be eligible for stimmy! die fool! remember: no refunds!

OH NO NO NO NO AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAA HAAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA

You do realize that the 60k was coming solely from her job and not her job+Uber, right? So no Uber money and a 15% reduced job salary = 51k. She also is single with 2 kids, so a 51k salary would actually dump her into wither the upper-lower or lower-middle class. The other people I don't have much to say one or the other on.

As for your family, I'm sorry to hear that and I hope things get better. But people plan their lives based on expected income. If a person makes 60k a year, that is what they budgeted for. If that person then drops to 50k a year, that will be a fairly substantial disruption to their life. Imagine the changes you would have to make if your families projected yearly income dropped even 5k. They weren't living beyond their means before the pandemic caused their yearly income to drop below what they could sustain. I get that you are bitter and see this as some type of poetic justice for the evil elite, but not everyone who is suffering brought it upon themselves.

Are you having a stroke?

>libtards getting absolutely FUCKED
YEAH STROKING MY DICK LMFAO

2000 dollars? whadya need 1200 dollars for? best i can do is 0 dollars, man.

are you having a cope?

>“I was banking on that money,” says Marie
Well she shouldn't have done that. I've been operating as if no stimulus is coming, and honestly don't need it. I make under the 50k for individuals, but nothing about my employment situation has changed. I have been concerned about what the stimulus cheques are going to cost me in taxes down the road, and if I could have opted out I would have. All I've done with it is pay off credit card debt, and I wasn't struggling with that but it was the most sensible thing to do with "free" money. I think the money should only go to people who have lost their jobs or are struggling with rent, or small business whose existence is threatened by the lockdown Everybody else should just tighten their belts a little instead of trying to maintain lifestyle extras that are non-essential.

Ok so you’ll pay me 50 dollars alright
No refunds

should´ve voted for trump, at least my boss could´ve bought a new yacht from the tax spike he implemented on the middle class

No
Refunds

You will also never be a woman

>Trump raised taxes on the middle class
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Lol what the fuck is this trash damage control?

The dems hate white people. That income bracket is made specifically to filter out whites and favors blacks and Mexicans.

The dems hate everyone,themselves included.

>imagine the changes you would have to make if your families projected yearly income dropped even 5k

Guess how much I paid in health insurance I couldn't use because I can't afford the deductible. Ya I effectively only made 11k last year when I had made 16k the year before without insurance.

These people budgeted out every single dollar instead of accounting for the fact that interruptions in income are going to happen. At 50k, they where living paycheck to paycheck. That is the definition of living beyond your means.

Also 50 is middle class period. Not lower middle class or upper lower class.

This entire thread is GOP damage control for

I am seriously doubting that you have a family of 3, soon to be 4, comfortably living on 11k a year. Hell, 16k a year is just a grand or so over the federal minimum wage.

Yes, at 50k they were living beyond their means but at their original wage of 60k they were not. This shouldn't be a hard concept to follow. To make it simple, let's just say that their "means" was 50k. Are they beyond their means when making 60k+? How about when their salary is cut to 50k? Interruptions in income do happen, but the assumption should be that those interruptions aren't permanent.

As for middle class, it depends on cost of living and how many members of the household are supported on the income. At the fringes of the classes there is a lot of gray area. Pew Research has a calculator you can play with to see for yourself if you like.

pewresearch.org/interactives/are-you-in-the-middle-class/

To believe literal video evidence of dems saying they would give out $2000 checks?

Spindoctors gonna spin. Meanwhile,

Laws that prevent landlords from evicting people are bullshit

$60k isnt really that much money. Idk how anyone can argue that isnt literally middle class in a high CoL state

Democrat tax hike. It was a tax cut the dems refused to vote for so it would sunset and now refuse to extend because they hate the middle class.

Spin doctors are going to spin how the dems said they would give $2,000 checks to the middle class but now say they won't and it will be $1,400, but only for illegals and not the middle class?
How does a tax credit for kids help middleclass people or millenials who have no kids? Dems fucking hate the middle class and that is why they are giving them a tax hike.

Only 16.5% of American HOUSEHOLDS made 50k-75k a year.

If anything, making 50k by yourself puts you firmly in the lower upper class.

What weird fucking states from 30 years ago are you reading ? Median household income in 2019 was $67,800
census.gov/library/publications/2020/demo/p60-270.html

You saw it here first. Anyone whose household is making $50k is rich and dems hate you.

>for married couples to $100,000
thank atheist-jesus I chose to stay home and raise my kids instead of working or we'd be fucked out of this dosh. can't wait to shove it in my wife's face when she is home from the office upstairs.

>But people plan their lives based on expected income.
I imagine people are not going to learn their lesson either.

squatter is safe
squatter is warm
squatter does no harm
landlord piss and landlord rage
landlord will not turn the page

Have sex, incel

>HAHA! IM POOR!
Weird flex but okay

The problem with most landlords that evicted their tenants during the pandemic (specifically people that own two properties and landlords that rent out a suite in their house) is they feel entitled to their money, simply because they own housing. They don't seem to understand the tenant is still a CUSTOMER paying for a housing service. Jacking up prices before an economic collapse, and then evicting your customers is not a sound business practice. Regulate landlords.

enjoy paying property tax or rent, loser. I'm loaded with all the money I've saved from squatting. Economics 101 baby!

Do you wear a frilly maid outfit for your wife too?

>I'm so wealthy I have to squat!
Yeah, totally.

Finally, you see the truth. Enjoy your day, today. user

Squatter is literally doing harm by occupying someone property rent free.
Great argument, faggot.
It's their property. If you dont like it move. The squatters are not entitled to shelter. They can go live under the bridge.

When the hell did I mention squatters in my post? Retard. I'm talking about how tenants are customers of the landlord, and should be treated as such.

literally rent free lmao

If they are living there without paying rent they arent tenants, they are squatters

Holy fuck you're retarded. Did they not teach you to read in America? Pathetic

You are talking about people wanting to live rent free and saying someone who owns a house isnt entitled to money for renting it. That's squatting. Kill yourself chang and stop shit posting about American politics. We literally don't care about your opinion you non American subhuman. The squatters should live with you, because it seems like Americans live in your head rent free

I'm going to make this real simple for you, retard. Obviously the squatter user has triggered your tard rage. My post is
Do I have to tell you I agree that squatting is bad to cool your tard rage? That's redundant

did Trump give out refunds to his "defense budget"(campaign debts)?

No, Trump tax hike because his tax cuts for the rich include major tax hikes for the poor and middle class.
Remember, it was the republicans who passed the bill by themselves.

>I don't want to be mean to this lady, but if she makes 60k a year she is in the top 20% of Americans
LMAO 60K isnt shit you retard. Also if you dont think $1.4K isnt going to do anything for her then what is it going to do for anyone? Honestly though what good is such a piss poor amount of money?

shut the fuck up welfare fag the government doesn't have to give you handouts. Fucking commie

>Me and my wife made less than 30k last year together and we have a kid with one more on the way. I don't live in a major metro area but I don't live in bumfuck nowhere either. I would say cost of living is about middle of the road for the nation where we live, maybe bottom of the upper half. I am really having a hard time feeling bad for these people when it just sounds like they decided to live beyond there means and are now getting bit in the ass by debt culture that they benefited from
holy fuck youre just being envious of americans in general. 60K isnt shit here and if you dont own a house you will be living paycheck to paycheck. You have no idea what you are talking about.

>what good is such a piss poor amount of money?
I don’t care about the amount I just care that I won’t get it because I contributed to society and couldn’t take a covidcation like everyone else.

Oh well, someone has to build America.

>Also 50 is middle class period. Not lower middle class or upper lower class.
no its not user 50K is dirt fucking poor

>shut the fuck up welfare fag the government doesn't have to give you handouts. Fucking commie
I think you are mistaken fren I am not pro stimulus checks, I am pointing out the futility of having said checks to begin with. no amount of stimulus checks is ever going to be good enough regardless how high/low they are.

>its not user 50K is dirt fucking poor
In large coastal cities maybe but not the majority of the country.

The Bidening policy towards the middle class is simple; Sit. Rotate. Lalalalala...

You actually expected anything better?

Eviction protection