Republican damage control is the following now, and these are really. >Trump deserves a mulligan for his coup attempt. >Presidents should be free to commit any crime they want in the final January of their term.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump’s historic second impeachment trial opened Tuesday in the Senate with graphic video of the deadly Jan. 6 attack on Congress and the defeated former president whipping up a rally crowd — “We’re going to walk down to the Capitol!” — as he encouraged a futile fight over his presidency.
The lead House prosecutor told senators the case would present “cold, hard facts” against Trump, who is charged with inciting the siege of the Capitol to overturn the election he lost to Democrat Joe Biden. Senators sitting as jurors, many who themselves fled for safety that day, watched the jarring video of the chaotic scene, rioters pushing past police to storm the halls, Trump flags waving.
“That’s a high crime and misdemeanor,” said Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., in opening remarks. “If that’s not an impeachable offense, then there’s no such thing.”
Trump is the first president to face impeachment charges after leaving office and the first to be twice impeached . The Capitol siege stunned the world as rioters ransacked the building to try to stop the certification of Biden’s victory, a domestic attack on the nation’s seat of government unlike any in its history. Five people died.
Acquittal is likely, but the trial will test the nation’s attitude toward his brand of presidential power, the Democrats’ resolve in pursuing him, and the loyalty of Trump’s Republican allies defending him.
Trump’s lawyers are insisting that he is not guilty of the sole charge of “incitement of insurrection,” his fiery words just a figure of speech as he encouraged a rally crowd to “fight like hell” for his presidency. But prosecutors say he “has no good defense” and they promise new evidence.
“Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye,” the acting sergeant at arms intoned to start the trial.
Security remained extremely tight at the Capitol, a changed place after the attack, fenced off with razor wire and armed National Guard troops on patrol. The nine House managers walked across the shuttered building to prosecute the case before the Senate.
White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Tuesday that Biden would not be watching the trial of his predecessor.
“Joe Biden is the president, he’s not a pundit, he’s not going to opine on back and forth arguments,” she said.
With senators gathered as the court of impeachment, sworn to deliver “impartial justice,” the trial was starting with debate and a vote over whether it’s constitutionally permissible to prosecute Trump after he is no longer in the White House.
Trump’s defense team has focused on the question of constitutionality, which could resonate with Republicans eager to acquit Trump without being seen as condoning his behavior.
But the House prosecutors argued there is no “January exception” for a president on his way out the door. Rep. Joe Neguse, D-Colo., referred to the corruption case of William Belknap, a war secretary in the Grant administration, who was impeached, tried and ultimately acquitted by the Senate after leaving office.
“President Trump was not impeached for run of the mill corruption, misconduct. He was impeached for inciting a violent insurrection - an insurrection where people died, in this building,” Neguse said.“If Congress stands by, it would invite future presidents to use their power without any fear of accountability.”
Jayden Perry
It appears unlikely that the House prosecutors will call witnesses, in part because the senators were witnesses themselves. At his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, Trump has declined a request to testify.
Trump’s defense team has said it plans to counter with its own cache of videos of Democratic politicians making fiery speeches. “We have some videos up our sleeve,” senior Trump adviser Jason Miller said on a podcast Monday.
“In trying to make sense of a second Trump trial, the public should keep in mind that Donald Trump was the first president ever to refuse to accept his defeat,” said Timothy Naftali, a clinical associate professor at New York University and an expert on impeachment.
“This trial is one way of having that difficult national conversation about the difference between dissent and insurrection,” Naftali said.
A first test Tuesday will be on a vote on the constitutionality of the trial, signaling attitudes in the Senate. The chamber is divided 50-50 between Democrats and Republicans, with a two-thirds vote, 67 senators, required for conviction.
A similar question was posed late last month, when Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky forced a vote to set aside the trial because Trump was no longer in office. At that time, 45 Republicans voted in favor of Paul’s measure. Just five Republicans joined with Democrats to pursue the trial: Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania
Presidential impeachment trials have been conducted only three times before, leading to acquittals for Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton and then Trump last year.
Typically senators sit at their desks for such occasions, but the COVID-19 crisis has upended even this tradition.
Dylan Allen
Instead, senators will be allowed to spread out, in the “marble room” just off the Senate floor, where proceedings will be shown on TV, and in the public galleries above the chamber, to accommodate social distancing, according to a person familiar with the discussions.
Presiding is not the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, as has been tradition for the nation’s few presidential impeachment trials, but the chamber’s senior-most member of the majority party, Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont.
Under an agreement between Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Republican leader Mitch McConnell, the opening arguments would begin at noon Wednesday, with up to 16 hours per side for presentations. The trial is expected to continue into the weekend.
In filings, lawyers for the former president lobbed a wide-ranging attack against the House case, dismissing the trial as “political theater” on the same Senate floor invaded by the mob.
Trump’s defenders suggest he was simply exercising his First Amendment rights when he encouraged his supporters to protest at the Capitol, and they argue the Senate is not entitled to try Trump now that he has left office.
House impeachment managers, in their own filings, assert that Trump “betrayed the American people” and has no valid excuse or defense.
Trump’s second impeachment trial is expected to diverge from the lengthy, complicated affair of a year ago. In that case, Trump was charged with having privately pressured Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden, then a Democratic rival for the presidency.
This time, Trump’s “stop the steal” rally rhetoric and the storming of the Capitol played out for the world to see. The trial could be over in half the time.
The Democratic-led House impeached the president swiftly, one week after the most violent attack on Congress in more than 200 years. Five people died, including a woman shot by police inside the building and a police officer who died the next day of his injuries.
Lincoln Reed
So what's the future of the Republicans at this point but not sad? Even with Trump out he still holds sway because of his money and words, and it faces fracturing.
Connor Peterson
Kastors opening statements were mindnumbing and irrelevant. Schoen better do better because after 2 hours of the prosecution quoting documents, precedent, previous presidents and the founding fathers themselves. nevermind, its just gonna be schizo shit.
Logan Robinson
Donald Trump has split the craziest and most useful idiots from the Republican party, and there were a LOT of them. Republicans will be fighting trump loyalists for at least the next 4 to 8 years, and the Republican party will have no chance at raising enough support to elect a new president.
Zoomers will forever remember the Republican party as the party of Donald Trump, and as more and more voters become eligible, their chances of winning any red state will drop more and more. It's over, Donald Trump tanked another major organisation, and this time it was the Republican party.
Adrian Gonzalez
>Donald Trump shod face consequences incited for inciting the people who invaded the capital building to riot by lying to them about the election, because they killed people? That's a talking point to you? This bot is broken.
Charles Williams
>not knowing 2020 was a red wave Yeesh
Henry Jenkins
>Lose the senate and presidency even after rigging the election in your favor with gerrymandering and mass voter suppression Red Tide maybe.
Carson Kelly
>being such a fucking newfag you have no idea that the Republicans were supposed to lose 6 senate seats and ~20 house seats and instead only lost 2 senate seats and won back 14 house seats >resulting in some of the most expensive defeats of Democrats in history >also, there was a slaughter in the State House for almost every single swing state Normies get the fuck out.
Liam Powell
>Uses the term normie >Has the audacity to call someone else a newfag GB2 Reddit normalfag
Andrew Stewart
Cant help but notice the complete lack of an argument you have there, friendo.
Carson Torres
>Cant help but notice the complete lack of an argument you have there, friendo. Put a tampon in it, Shareblue.
Christopher Howard
You're right in that house dems lost a lot more than they won. But if you don't take a single branch of government you have no right to call the election a "wave" for your side. Dems at least got the house in 2018.
Dominic Scott
Actual former shareblue here This sort of thing really grinds my gears when I see losers like you disrespecting a great American organization like them
Julian Hall
>ill just redefine what a wave is
James Fisher
>In the United States, there is no consensus definition of what level of gains constitutes a wave election.
Seems like it. Plus even if it's an aquit, They're gonna throw the 14th at him and get him barred anyway.
Adam Phillips
Democrats are already teeing this up to be a major referendum against the Republicans and frame this as giving aid and comfort to Trump's treason to the voters.
To bad liberals can't do outrage as well as conservative. Imagine if it was Hillary Clinton who staged a coup which killed some cops, and then had a batshit lawyer who said that if she wasn't acquitted, a civil war would break out and her followers would murder more people, and how the conservative media would frame it.
Chase Phillips
I dont think that's how it works. They must first found him guilty then move on to ban on a separate bill. Democrats would also have to past it under reconcilation and they're not going to do that over say, the stimulus bill.
Adrian Gray
Nah, Democrats have already signaled that even if the Republicans refuse to defend America and the constitution they can still bring up banning Trump in another vote. I'm sure they'll use the same impeachment rules where it can't be filibustered like we're seeing right now to get it through.
Joshua Adams
rawstory.com/trump-screaming-during-impeachment/ >Trump was 'borderline screaming' at Bruce Castor's incompetent legal defense It really is crazy that the Democrats are presenting an armory of smoking guns and Trump's lawyers are glue huffing retards that even he's infuriated with them, and the Republicans will still betray the country to defend Trump.
We can only hope the democrats are smart enough to call for a secret vote.
Leo Harris
I mean no matter what Trump's getting punished, period.
Brody Wright
>Donald Trump tanked another major organisation
i mean, that is what he has always done
Oliver Hughes
Every single redneck and primitive example of a Human being that attacked the Capitol and follow a retarded habitual liar like Donald Trump should just give up on life. You will never stop the evolution of humanity no matter how hard you try. Take a look at the Neanderthal. Gone. Just a grease spot in history where a modern trump supporter used to be. Why not try education and an understanding of history and philosophy. I know it's so hard letting go of trump news you read from the terrorists q. Being told what to think by someone you believe cares about your well being over his financially ruined own. Just give it a shot. If you don't understand the material you're reading, start on a child's level and expand you vocabulary. Because you people are so ignorant you shouldn't be allowed to roam earth freely posing as modern mankind. Climb back in that hole you all climbed out of, or your sisters bed. I for one support the evolution of mankind. Other people. Democracy. You know, that thing that got trump elected in the first place while giving you retards a stage to speak, screaming Donald Trump cares about us. Haha lol. Omg. Stay the fuck away from my capitol. Because this left wing extremist doesn't mind bending over to your level and crushing your kind with my wallet. My foot on you puny throat you use as a weapon. And exposing you all for the cock roaches you are. Get educated you retarded bastards
Jose Campbell
TLDR seething tranny
Ywnbaw
Carson Johnson
>politicodaily Ok.
There was a red wave for sure. It sure felt like a splash to the Democrats occupying the seat of power in Washington. Some wave it was to lose all 3 branches of government at once.
Jacob Gomez
>Yfw when Democrats didn't just rig the 2016 democrat primary, but swung the general election as well by releasing their own emails so that someone they knew would devistate their opposition for years to come if ever elected, would actually be elected
Chase Thompson
>Politico You mean the conservative rag that gave Ben 'the cuck' Shapiro a giant platform?
Anthony Williams
Those remarks by that first guy were hilariously infuriating. He rambled from fellating Senators by telling them how special they are and important, then talked about how running for senate is different than running for a house representative seat, it was complete nonsense. He finally got around to talking but I just checked out and didn't care what he said lmao
I still remember reading that brief they submitted responding to the house managers
It began with "To the Honorable Unites States Senate", a fucking typo in the opening line lmao. Imagine being a republican right now and still supporting these morons lol
Nathan Campbell
Republicans never loved america, because that's where Democrats live. Cant love anything a democrat touches.
Logan Diaz
It's more conservatives have always hated democracy and want to turn us into some authoritarian system. Doesn't matter if it's a dictatorship, an oligarchy, or a bunch of corporations running the country, just as long as the masses don't get to self determine their fate.
Austin Hughes
And Screw them for thinking that's what we needed while prattling about Traditionalism.
Caleb Wilson
Traditionalism to them is going back to a monarchy. Or whatever system they can get to substitute that.
You have to remember, the terrorists involved in the violent coup attempt wanted to install Trump as a dictator.
Juan Clark
Oh I'm aware of that. If they succeeded they'd have half the country on their ass. Civil War they'd get.
Josiah Sanchez
WE'RE going to walk down to the Capitol... How come Trump wasn't isn't in any of the vids? Did he hit the links and miss the bus back to the Coup? Hmmmm.
Bentley King
Because the secret service said they wouldn't be able to guarantee his safety, and he sees his cultists as expendable pawns. Did you already forget the two super spreader events where he abandoned his cult members in freezing temperatures?
Brody Jackson
The Left is at least consistent in their hypocisy. They only Demonise the other side, because their side is just peaceful protest no matter how many lives destroyed.
Dylan Lewis
>The right wing stage a violent coup to destroy the longest surviving democracy in the world. >Get upset that they're demonized for it
Pretty soon, we'll be rounding them up and hauling them off to the re-education camps. Its going to be a great day when that finally launches. Wonder how many we will not be able to reprogram?
Gabriel Richardson
>most peaceful Why must you lie so terribly? It was a violent coup attempt. You're disgusting.
Oliver Long
You obviously don't know what a coup is. You must be American.
Brayden Brown
>Foreigner thinking his opinion matters LOLOLOL
Wyatt Wood
There's been impeachments of judges where they weren't removed, but were then disqualified from running for office and stripped of benefits with a simple majority. Hopefully thats the route they take
Very peaceful protest with armed protestors that involved breaking into a government building to forcibly overturn the results of a democratic election.
Jack Jones
It wasn't even peaceful to begin with because the terrorists were already attacking capitol police to assault the capitol.
James Miller
Prosecutors should refer to Trump as 'Then president' or 'Former president' just to piss him off.
Colton Cruz
is it bad that im sad that the capitol officers just didn't open fire on them once they breached certain physical/legal barricades?
i feel bad saying this but good riddance to Ashli Babbitt and I think anyone else breaching a vital barricade should have suffered the same fate.
Austin Cruz
Given how many of the terrorists were armed themselves. The cops opening in mass would have been a terrible idea because they would have been instantly overwhelmed and it would have been a bloodbath for them. Part of the reason the coup failed was because the Cops treated the terrorists with kids gloves so the terrorists just wandered around aimlessly after their capture/kill teams failed to assassinate Pence, Pelosi or any of the democrats. But you are right, if any terrorist like Babbitt breached a final line of defense, they'd also take a bullet to the neck or face. We saw that about to happen on the house floor where the police had their guns drawn and if the terrorists tried to break in, the police would have opened fire on them.
Jaxson Harris
>worst election year since 1932 >for either party >red wave lmao
Michael Lopez
adding to this post of mine:
it's not that i want violence to occur but simply that i feel there should be ZERO tolerance for this behavior in the land of the most powerful military in the world. there shouldn't be a shred of a chance that our gov't can be crippled by an unruly mob and it should have been stopped at all costs even if that means using assault rifles.
circumstances permitting, the mob was certainly willing to use lethal force to achieve their goals ("hang Mike Pence" comes to mind) and capitol police should not hesitate to use the same when our officials' lives are in danger.
Brandon Carter
i was in the middle of typing my follow-up post while you were responding but thank you for your insight. im appalled and terrified of how fragile our gov't seems in the light of the events that occured.
David Adams
>have long standing traditions carrying out the changing of power >capitol has security but on a minor scale because the US has been trying to move away from the paranoid state that the nation has been since 9/11 happened >angry racist shitheads who have no actual concern for the nation or its people start breaking the rules and acting like animals >the capitol officers tried their best to hold bad the rioters and not escalate the situation
As much as i feel like there should have been just a full on firesquad sent on the crowd i feel like it would just be a slipperly slope that would lead to downright chaos.
To put it simply "do not interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake" only that dumb bitch was shot and killed and all the evidence of the incident has basically painted these shithead trumpsters as terrorist and now its known on a global scale that these people are terrorists. So the capitol police having that godlike restraint benefited this entire nation.
Chase Williams
As for why they weren't better prepared, Trump and his cronies at the DoD intentionally sabotaged the capitol police and the military's response, by undermining them, barring them for having proper equipment, and blocking the military and national guard from deploying to support. People seem to forget that Trump made it much easier for his terrorists to breach the capitol because there were only about 600 police on duty that day when normally there should have been 1800 or more and normally be fully armed to deal with a riot. IE they'd all be in fully body armor and Indiscriminately cover the entire area of in tear gas while spraying the terrorists with pepperball rounds and rubber bullets. What you saw was a few mace sprayers and a few tear gas grenades that did nothing.
Xavier Gomez
Trump is having a very bad day.
Jayden Long
The bad thing Republicans are once again going to prove they're traitors by acquitting Trump. The right wing media is already working in overdrive to whitewash Trump's failed coup and run whataboutisms out the ass to try and blame the democrats for it. So the question is, how long will Americans remember the attack when you have the conservative media doing everything they can to numb the public to it.
Jaxon Barnes
yeah like i see the philosophy of 'dude let's not be so uptight with security cause man, things are peaceful amrite? :DDDDD" but the year 2020 even before Jan 6th is a huge example of that not being the case. i agree though, maybe it's better that the camp responsible for the insurrection get blacklisted and shunned by the public.
exactly, exactly. they were clearly unprepared despite the looming stormclouds. it almost seems like whoever was in charge of security on Jan 6th let things unfold as they did in an almost traitor-like spirit. the burden was on the higher ups to predict the magnitude of the situation and it didn't seem like to took a rocket scientist to predict. it's sad that whoever was in charge (you're saying Trump and his DoD cronies) was willing to lose a few valiant front-line officers faithfully doing their job in light of what may have been a planned play for power.
the situation with proper preparation as you've said could have been quelled with very little violence. but sadly that didn't happen.
to address both of you guys on the my shoot-from-the-hip view/sentiment of "lol more violence against rioters wuz necessary!" i understand it's not so simple but am just overwhelemed with emotion watching this trial unfold with all the new footage/audio.
Kayden Smith
The issue is that everyone knew it was coming, but Trump and his people did everything to sabotage the response and yes, Trump sees everyone as expendable, so if a bunch of cops, or his cultists are killed, he wouldn't care.
What the footage should shown should remind us is all the terrorists who were involved in the attack need to be prosecuted no matter how long it takes and not a single one of them should be let off because the system is 'overwhelmed'
Jacob Hernandez
im curious - thoughts on what Trump's endgame was/is? tinfoil hat theory - Trump was in at least indirect/covert/coded communication with the most dangerous of the insurrectionist camp in some form or another.... why does he cause the insurrection? he has enough money. he had the most power in the world and continues to have an unimaginable amount of power for a mortal human being. what are his true motivations and end-game here?
jeez i made so many typos but im also being pretty informal.
Jackson King
He's a narcissist with no sense of humility who won't allow himself to roll over and accept his loss. He doesn't care about money or even power in and of itself, he just wants to be at the top and have people worship him for it.
Easton Roberts
This is going to be a bit jerky offy but I think that Trumps actions exemplify the difference in mindset between businessmen and politicians.
Businessmen are used to being able to demand things and have them be done, I want to buy this building? Well then i'm going to call the owner and offer him money, there is no real ceremony or procedure. The rules and laws are things to be danced around and buried in lawyers on the off chance that anyone is paying enough attention to challenge them about it. Trump wants to be an unimpeded executive because thats how he's used to working, and if you're feeling favorable to him thats when the most reform occurs.
American politicians on the other hand have to operate under a strict set of restrictions, and usually with at least a modicum of bipartisan consensus (this is part of the reason congress is so gridlocked perpetually). So when Trump wasn't able to treat the US budget as he would one of his businesses finances he throws a tantrum.
Thomas Ramirez
>This is going to be a bit jerky offy but I think that Trumps actions exemplify the difference in mindset between businessmen and politicians. >Businessmen are used to being able to demand things and have them be done, I want to buy this building? Well then i'm going to call the owner and offer him money, there is no real ceremony or procedure. The rules and laws are things to be danced around and buried in lawyers on the off chance that anyone is paying enough attention to challenge them about it. Trump wants to be an unimpeded executive because thats how he's used to working, and if you're feeling favorable to him thats when the most reform occurs. >American politicians on the other hand have to operate under a strict set of restrictions, and usually with at least a modicum of bipartisan consensus (this is part of the reason congress is so gridlocked perpetually). So when Trump wasn't able to treat the US budget as he would one of his businesses finances he throws a tantrum. Our elected leaders act like high school girls. The democrats are as as or worse than the Republicans.
Gabriel Cox
i have to think it's deeper than that but okay that may be a part of it.
i feel like laymen like me cant even conceive of the impossibly complex chess-game that powerful CEOs and political leaders have to play. especially military ones. i suspect that blood-oath level stuff goes on. except they may be using the blood of others to sign these oaths.
not trying to excuse Trump's actions or shift blame but im thinking theres a complex web of infliuence, relationships, and most likely money that is causing leaders like him to act as they do. even if money/power isn't the most important thing at stake for these famous public figures im saying a complex web of people rely on these figures to continue to hold money/power for their own purposes.
interesting that you say this while im trying to compose a message about CEOs and political figures acting similarly. from my limited knowledge, political figures make deals the same way businessmen do but you're right - they at least need: >a modicum of bipartisan consensus and hopefully some sort of support from voters.
I'll have to follow my global financial news more closely cause I didn't know that the business world was so... 'get what i want done first for my bottom line, worry about any extraneous consequences later'. Trump definitely was one of the most business minded political leaders we've had so I guess it makes sense that conflict occurs when he can't: >treat the US budget as he would one of his businesses
Brandon Ortiz
>interesting that you say this while im trying to compose a message about CEOs and political figures acting similarly. from my limited knowledge, political figures make deals the same way businessmen do CEOs have to make deals and exchanges with external power structures, IE other businesses and CEOs (analogus to foreign countries). If they want to completely restructure their company or allocate capital for something its as simple as calling a meeting and telling your underlings what you want done, maybe even how you want it done if its a particularly micromanaging CEO. Senators and Representatives have to make backroom deals and compromises with each other in order to garner enough support to make ANY policy happen. Senator Toomey of Pennsylvania could never decide on his own that all public parking in america should be free, the president couldn't either, it would have to go through the proper channels of the legislator, and it is always open to judicial review.
Trump got caught on the process of being a politician, and its why there has been such an uptick of pseudo monarchism from the maga caucus.
Jason Lee
i see, i see. much more checks on power in the political arena.
Jack Scott
Trump's mindset is extremely simple to understand. It's a combination of him seeing losing as the ultimate sign of weakness and he came to enjoy the power and attention he got as president. Therefore the one thing Trump couldn't do is accept losing to Biden because it would mean he accepts being a loser and losing all the power of the presidency. The former is more important because remember in 2016, he was making the same claims that he did in 2020 that the election was going to be rigged if he lost and he wouldn't accept the results, and this was when Republicans were pushing through massive voter suppression and election fraud operations to help Trump, both in 2016 and 2020. So when he actually did lose, all he had to do was say that it was rigged against him and his cult would believe it and in their eyes Trump was a man robbed of what he rightfully earned even though the truth is he lost fairly. You have to also remember Trump refuses to be referred to as the former president, all his lackeys refer to him as the 45th president or as the president still, he even uses the presidential seal for anything he sends (Yes this is against the law).
As for why he staged the coup to overthrow the government. He had nothing left to lose since without the presidency to act as an aegis, he'd be open to a whole slew of lawsuits and prosecutions for the crimes he committed before and while in office. Plus there's a good chance with how corrupt Republicans are he knew even if the coup failed, they'd never vote to convict Trump. And given Republicans are willing to betray America, again. he's right. Some of the terrorists could have killed republican senators or their family and the rest of them would vote to acquit.
Liam Sanchez
The most damaging thing to American and biggest threat is right wing propaganda like Fox News, they aren't even broadcasting the impeachment trial and the what they do, they immediately have damage control to help justify what Trump did. To save America, right wing media needs to be destroyed. They're a bigger threat than Al-Quaeda or ISIS because they're creating terrorists at home to wage war against the United States.
Hunter Foster
Being a billionaire means you're basically above the law. There's a famous example where when building his house, Jeff Bazos violated a bunch of local ordinances where he was charged hundred thousand dollars and it was faster for him to just keep ignoring the laws and paying the fines than do anything else. The average person can't do that and it also begs the question, what's the point of having laws, if the rich can just ignore them.
Michael Johnson
Devils advocate: Trump should be impeached for the retarded capitol riot AND so should every politician that egged on BLM/Antifa riots.
The biggest faggotry of this impeachment 2 electric boogaloo is how hypocritical it is. You don't get to recognize inciting violence from one side while ignoring it from another.
Remove ALL of them from office.
Charles Torres
Too bad for you BLM protests =/= Violent Trump Coup. We should impeach and prosecute Trump, and all his co-conspirators in congress, and everyone else who took part in the coup.
Sebastian Cruz
Every Republican Senator who was filmed not paying attention to the presentation of the evidence being presented by the House Impeachment managers and especially Lisping Lady Lindsay Graham who stated yesterday before the presentation of evidence on Thurs., that he told Trump not to worry acquittal was guaranteed, should be brought up on perjury charges for violating their oath to be impartial jurors. Absolutely unconscionable. Have they really no sense of decency at long last?
Chase Allen
>Have they really no sense of decency at long last? That assumes he had decency to begin with, he's a conservative, they naturally lack that. BTW, you can also charge him with election fraud since he tried to interfere in the election in multiple states.
Jack Taylor
lol you have to bear with me and spoonfeed a lot the info to me sometimes if not for anything else but to verify reality. some of it's unbelievable and i want to make sure we all are living in the same universe.
>remember in 2016, he was making the same claims remembered, and verified.
>he even uses the presidential seal for anything he sends news to me. this and a lot of his rhetoric reeks of third-world country level corruption. utterly disgusted at the review of Trump's actions during the siege in the trial today.
>given Republicans are willing to betray America, again. he's right. Some of the terrorists could have killed republican senators or their family and the rest of them would vote to acquit. this is really what is making my mouth drop. from what i can see, their loyalties lie with some sort of hardball-party-comraderie even at the expense of a few teammates.
propaganda is necessary to control people dude but hey as dangerous as RW media is i cant say i blame them for furthering their agenda through omission of the trial. free speech and all. free speech is an ideal i would like to uphold even if their agenda doesn't align with my values.
>what's the point of having laws, if the rich can just ignore them iunno maybe to make common people feel even more like peasants when laws leave so many loopholes and prohibit common-folk from certain privileges i guess. but more seriously cruel than im making it out to be.
They're basically the Nazis now where they follow Trump out of fear of them or their family being murdered by his cult, or they don't want to be primaried and lose power. 'I just wanted to be re-elected' is the new 'i was just following orders'
>free speech is an ideal i would like to uphold even if their agenda doesn't align with my values. Like everything with the right wing, they take it to the breaking point given their support of a coup against the government.
Henry Torres
>Too bad for you BLM protests =/= Violent Trump Coup. >HURRRRRRRR VIOLENCE MAGICALLY ISN'T VIOLENCE IF I AGREE WITH THE CAUSE DURRRRRR
KYS you insufferable faggot.
Kevin Bennett
>Random bad faith actors and false flag attacks to smear BLM are the same as attempt a violent coup Fuck off shill, you have no power
Gabriel Parker
>BLM literally committing sedition by taking control over Capitol Hill Street? I sleep. >mostly peacefulTrumpists barging into the actual Capitol Hill? REAL SHIT
Nicholas Smith
Oh, it's the shill from the other thread. Did you take the time to learn the difference between a territory and state fag?
>Whataboutism If you want to be taken seriously, don't resort to old Soviet tactics that Trump uses constantly to try and distract from his own crimes.
Cameron Collins
Because they were shot?
Michael Ross
>Smug anime girl.jpg Throwing rocks in glass houses, are we?
Brayden Williams
The problem with that is that the basis for both riots is completely different. BLM started because people were sick of seeing innocents getting killed at the hands of police with little or no repercussions, the endgoal was police reform and holding the cops that killed unarmed people accountable. The capital insurrection was rooted in a lie that was perpetrated by someone who couldn't accept that he lost, and its endgoal was to kill everyone who disagreed with Trump, overturn the election, and instill Trump as dictator.
Nicholas Reed
OP is a happy anime girl, get it right.
Caleb Anderson
Not to mention while there are politicians who supported the BLM stuff, they weren't committed at their command nor were they done in their name.
Adrian Price
If you want to cling to false hope, apparently McConnell hasn't decided how he'll vote. Of course he'll never risk the coalition that Trump has created.
Just because they left the party doesn't mean they still won't vote for them. We saw this shit with never Trumpers where they didn't vote for Trump but voted straight Republican for everything else ignoring the fact that they all were co-conspirators or collaborators with Trump. Also with how gerrymandering has been turned into a fine science, Republicans will find a way to deal with losing 140,000 out of 64 million voters.
It's a start, but don't think it matters. Especially when recent polling shows that Republicans perceive Democrats not as political rivals, but enemies that need to be destroyed.
"There's nothing new here. For me, at the end of the day, I think that we don't have jurisdiction as a court in order to pursue this, so nothing that I've seen changes my view on that." -Sen. Josh Hawley (R) Missouri
"This is pretty obvious this is a political exercise" -Sen. Ron Johnson (R) Wisconsin
guys - thoughts on sentiments like these among Republicans and their reactions to the case dems are making?
it seems ridiculous to me to argue that some may be voting "nay" because they think they don't have the "jurisdiction" to vote in the first place. didn't day 1 of the proceedings decide that yes, they all have the jurisdiction to pursue this? if anyone votes "nay" for this reason they're NOT answering the question and are simply dodging it. they've all been given jurisdiction.
it's similar to someone asking you "did you wake up today?" then you answer "no because im not a doctor with the jurisdiction make determinations on my wakefulness" absolutely slimy.
it's like vote whichever way you want but at least vote in response to the actual question being raised. they're not asking whether you have the authority to answer the question or else they wouldn't be asking you.
Brody Nguyen
The goal of an impeachment is to remove someone from office, and guess what? Trump lost so he’s already out
Carter Ramirez
I can't think of a more constitutionally correct way of battling an unjust government than with a fucking American flag pole. I mean if you can even call that insurrection. It's basically civil unrest, I mean they're using a fucking American flag pole against enemies of the state Patriotic, really
Parker Sanchez
Weren’t you guys screaming ACAB a month ago?
Hudson Lewis
More like the irony of a traitor using an America flag to assault those who are uploading the rule of law and democracy.
Charles Wright
Wrong, it's also to show no one is above the law and make sure they can't run again or leach off the system.
People like Hawley and Johnson are traitors who would rather turn America into a dictatorship, which has always been the goal of conservatives in America.
Caleb Parker
im not going to regurgitate the many historical examples covered on day 1 establishing precedent for impeaching out of office traitors.
please actually watch the trial.
it's simply interesting to see you stand up for your camp here with a statement like that.
Wyatt Fisher
>The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. Trump isn’t President, he’s not VP and he’s certainly not a civil officer anymore
Andrew James
This argument was already refuted at the trial.
Mason Lewis
im not him but i'm not going to jump cause you say "how high" and scrub hours of the trial for our petty exchange.
what i think is more important to do is to gauge your anonymous opinion on the situation. you think Trump should be acquitted? you think there should be a 'January exception' virtually making presidents invincible to checks and balances on power in their last days of office? btw you just deleted your post replying "How?" to . i wonder why.
David Miller
correction:
i meant to say i WONT say "how high?" when you say "jump!". please dont judge me on my terrible grasp of English idioms cause i really just want to poll anons.
John Gomez
>i'm not going to jump cause you say "how high" well that wouldn't make any sense.
Cooper Carter
>i'm not going to jump cause you say "how high" >please dont judge me on my terrible grasp of English idioms 下班后请见上司
Andrew Anderson
lmao i realize that but unlike user im taking responsibility for my posts and posted a correction.
see but cheeky bastard republicans would maybe try to use slimy rhetoric to dodge guilt or something like that. user did post a response asking "How?" to that he deleted. that's what i was trying to respond to but it was deleted before i could post. and it could be argued that i was inferring that he was referring to the age-old idiom therefore it was necessary to mention the action of jumping at all.
guys, just answer the question. should there be a "January exception"?
Anthony Edwards
>should there be a "January exception"? Yes, because an impeachment wastes time that could be used for an actual criminal investigation and poisons the jury pool
Ian James
Problem with that: you're LINKING every protests at that time that occurred for multiple reasons (George Floyd, right violations, long term policing issues, people pent up about being locked down, government frustration), heading it all under BLM; then adding ever destructive act that occurred over a period of months in different states, bunching it all together AND COMPARING it to a domestic terrorist coup attempt that occurred in one day, with one direction, operating for one person that ended with the destruction of the US capital building; the removal of national documents; a potential house and senate hostage/murder attempt situation; the planting of two bombs and the physical halting of democracy election process.
Nathaniel Jones
i disagree but okay. i find it interesting to hear that another user thinks gov't is incapable of processing multiple motions in an efficient manner. even if that's true, we shouldn't just excuse the system for not having enough "RAM" or "CPU power" to try and parallel computer processing to the process. We shouldn't go "aggghhhh too many things to process, let's throw out the unimportant stuff or delegate it to lower powers"
but enlighten me. what is the appropriate arena to try Trump if not the impeachment process?
Asher Lee
>and poisons the jury pool okay, so you added a bit to your post and changed a bit of language. nothing really wrong with that, we all make mistakes.
in what ways is the jury pool currently poisoned? i dont see it. im not simply trying to be contrarian.
Aiden Rodriguez
>what is the appropriate arena to try Trump if not the impeachment process? Criminal, this shit is just a bunch of politicians patting themselves on the back
Jeremiah Hernandez
So I'm suppose to believe that a group of people armed with a ring of zip ties and led by a cosplayer attempted to take over the U.S. government while gingerly staying between the velvet ropes.
This was a riot that was not controlled, just like how left-wing mayors and governors allowed rioters run amok in police stations and other government buildings in the past months. If the dumbass mayor hadn't stopped the National Guard from deploying before the riot none of this would have happened.
All Democrats are doing here is demonstrating their hypocrisy and increasing the level of dislike people have for them.
Dylan Martin
sounds like a sorta laissez-faire or slap-on-the-wrist way of dealing with serious actions but hey im glad i got to hear your opposing view.
on whether or not politicians are using the trial to grandstand morally or not (if that's what you're getting at) i think thats extraneous and irrelevant. that will just inevitably happen whenever people villify anyone - certain people may start to see those trying to vanquish said villains as heroes. personally i dont think that's the crux of their goal. i think they're trying to setup precedent for the future as their main goal.
Gavin Jenkins
>pipe and smoke bombs >technical gears >hand held weapons like knifes and bats >crossbows and stun guns >a truck full of molotov cocktails >erecting a gallows in that short a time frame This was planned user.
Also the mayor doesn't have the power to control the national guard. I was surprised too, maybe cause DC isn't a state.
Jace Martinez
Doesn't sound any more organized or planned than an antifa protest, I see no evidence of central planning and widespread organizing but maybe investigations will say different
>Doesn't sound any more organized or planned than an antifa protest It slightly was in terms of actionable goals. ANTIFA protests mostly center around countering right-wing protests. The fact that it wasn't centrally planned by a hierarchical leadership structure doesn't mean that they didn't have clear objectives once they got started. They very obviously did. The new reports coming out illustrate just how close they came to actually accomplishing those objectives. The most clear objective I've ever seen come from an ANTIFA protest is to throw shit and scream slogans.
Tyler Lopez
>I see no evidence of central planning and widespread organizing but maybe investigations will say different Because you're blind, or just refusing to see the truth given the case laid out by the prosecuted. You're basically as corrupt and traitorous as the Republican party.
Ethan Harris
Trump's defense for his treason is basically 'how dare you' and whataboutism.
Camden Wilson
friendly reminder: You can't impeach someone who isn't president.
Jace Stewart
He was impeached while he was still president.
Jayden Martinez
Yes you can.
Xavier Wilson
>The year is 2023 >the economy is in shambles, state economies in CA and NY collapsed due to unnecessary lockdowns and the states are now crime havens >Biden has started two new wars in the middle east in countries he cannot remember or pronounce the names of, and now verbally reads all cues on his teleprompter out loud. >Leftists are still trying to impeach Trump, for what is now the 7th time and for the 7th time it's the "most important trial in history" according to CNN, who is now owned by InfoWars
Leo Gonzalez
Interesting fan fic, don't think even Fox News would pick up the script to produce the movie version though.
Connor Flores
Lmao Van der Veen already claiming that it was antifa. This defense is going to be a fucking sham
"They're going to bring the CALVERY, as in christs cross and not the CALVARY as in reinforcements"
LMAO This is what they're going with?
David White
I think the more interesting thing is Trump's lawyer tried to claim the violent coup was inevitable. And not, you know the fact that Trump gave 50 million to the terrorists and told them all to gather on the 6th and then gave the order to attack.
Noah Jackson
It doesn't matter, Scheon will play a clip of Warren saying the word Fight on Maddow and that will be enough excuse for republicans to acquit.
Asher Morris
He played a video of cheerleaders saying fight. And a 20 minute montage of democrats using the word fight, but without the context that they were not trying to incite a violent coup against the government like Trump.
Although if you want a sliver of hope some Republicans won't betray the country. There might be enough on the fence to vote for conviction. rawstory.com/trump-impeachment-gop-senators/
But again, if democrats weren't retarded, which they are, they'd make it a secret ballot.
Gavin Nguyen
>Reading a couple of tea leaves, adding rounded teaspoon of wishful thinking: Likely guilty vote
Well at least Kristol has a bit of self awareness
Elijah Perry
Yeah, unless it's a secret vote where they won't get blowback for defending the country from the traitors, they'll never do the right thing.
Matthew Martin
>Trump's Lawyer citing Brandenburg Because equating Trump to the KKK is a good idea.
Jose Morgan
>He actually used the term negro
Tyler Cooper
If you couldn't impeach and convict people for an office they no longer held then everyone could avoid the consequences of impeachment by simply resigning right before the Senate trial. That's obviously not what the framers of the Constitution intended for and this has long been understood - federal judges have been impeached and tried after leaving office before. This is just the first time it's happening to a former president.
Colton Reyes
Also as argued it creates the January exception where you can commit all the crimes you want in your last month in office because you can't be held accountable after you leave office. Of course it's just the Republicans betraying America again and looking for any excuse to to side with Trump.
Mason Sanchez
The secret vote is what is necessary. All but the Lisping Lady Lindsey (I still believe Trump probably has a Sword of Damocles regarding his, shall we say, ""masculinity" held over his head) Hawley, Cruz and a handful of other bootlickers would vote to convict w/o question.
Oliver Russell
I don't get why Democrats don't do it, they have perfect justification due to Trump's drones sending death threats.
Zachary Phillips
>The secret vote is what is necessary. From elected public officials? No that's bullshit
Jacob Wright
Even if the Senate Dems used their majority to hold a secret vote (which they can do), according to the Constitution the vote still has to be recorded if at least 1/5th of senate requests it. So they'd need the support of 31 Republican senators to prevent a coalition of 20 die-hard Trumpers from making the vote public anyways. That's not going to happen.
Mason Smith
Are their 20 traitors though? We only saw 10 senators wiling to betray America and overtly steal the election for Trump and that number dropped after the failed coup.
It's a moot point since one of the Republican senators who people thought was going to convict was caught with talking points to acquit.
Grayson Barnes
Plot twist: Senate votes to allow witnesses Probably won't change the eventual outcome, but it'll be damn funny watching Trump's stooges stumble through the depositions.
Hudson Miller
Looks like that one Republican saying Trump was gloating to McCarthy about his coup during the attack was enough to get dems to call the Republican's bluff finally.
What they should do is call Trump as a witness, it's a gamble given he'll just lie about everything, but there is zero way he'll keep his composure.
Adam Garcia
>Senate didn't follow through with calling witnesses Fucking Democrat cowards just ruined their chance to fracture the GOP completely and run uncontested in the near future.
Daniel White
This
Aiden Ortiz
And it just pisses off the Democrats because everyone was saying we needed witnesses and they could just bottleneck whatever shit the Republicans would pull.
Ethan Rogers
Agreed. The Moscow Mitch had his way with Democrats for 6 years bending them over and slampigging them 24/7 yet Democrats get control of the Senate and they roll over with their tongue hanging out for a belly scratch. Fuck that shit.
Nolan Fisher
Don't be shocked user. Dems aren't the neck stompers the GOP is, so this is nothing new.
Noah Fisher
I would’ve thought that having their lives threatened and the government they function in almost destroyed would put a little more fire in their bellies. If they go down in 2022 they fucking deserve it. A delay of a few weeks now would have provided YEARS of prime material for PACs to bludgeon the GOP with
Jackson Williams
>I would’ve thought that having their lives threatened and the government they function in almost destroyed would put a little more fire in their bellies. Eh. Everyone but leftists thought this would be true. Even though the Dems won back all of the branches they're all still shivering in their boots about the specter of progressivism threatening all of their seats. They rode the wave of "ra ra fight the power" all the way to the White House but now they're terrified because they know backing things like medicare for all or SCOTUS packing will mean half of them getting fucking BODIED in moderate districts this next primaries. They're going to keep appealing to their milquetoast neo-liberal base until it becomes inconvenient to do.
Michael Gomez
>Senate acquits Trump again Cowards
Jaxson Murphy
M4A is supported by the majority of Americans, no one is going to get primaried for that.
Lincoln Green
Nice, acquits the second time. What a bunch of fucking losers, wasting all this time in the middle of a pandemic. Can't wait for 2024. MAGA WILL RISE AGAIN, STRONGER THAN EVER BEFORE.
Brody Bell
If Trump couldn't win in 2020 against Joe fucking Biden, what makes you think he's going to win in 2024 against a more competent candidate after 4 more years of boomers dying, progressive teenagers coming of age, and Dem-leaning immigrants moving in?
Anthony Carter
>what makes you think he's going to win in 2024 against a more competent candidate Biden will get more competant over four years?
> progressive teenagers coming of age and voting more conservatively.
>and Dem-leaning immigrants moving in? and voting more conservatively
Jose Sullivan
>Biden will get more competant over four years? Biden almost certainly won't be running for reelection. He'd be 82. >and voting more conservatively. The 18-50 bracket votes overwhelmingly Dem. The Republican party survives off of aging boomers, nothing more. >and voting more conservatively Trump only got 32% of the Hispanic vote in 2020, worse than Bush (35% and 44%) and only slightly better than McCain (31%). The idea that Hispanics are slowly trending Republican is a complete myth.
Isaiah Smith
>The 18-50 bracket votes overwhelmingly Dem. The Republican party survives off of aging boomers, nothing more. Funny thing about people: they age.
>Trump only got 32% of the Hispanic vote in 2020, worse than Bush (35% and 44%) and only slightly better than McCain (31%). The idea that Hispanics are slowly trending Republican is a complete myth. (Counting the national average in a system that depends on select regions) 'kay
Wyatt Rodriguez
Also everyone who signed on for it in 2020 won re-election.
Austin Jones
>You can start out in Texas. A lot of articles have been written about how Trump did historically well for a Republican in South Texas. In Starr County, for example, Trump lost by a mere 5 points. Four years ago, Trump was defeated by 60 points in this county. This isn’t just non-Hispanic voters changing their mind, as the county is over 95% Hispanic. The shift in Starr and other counties in South Texas was part of what Politico called Trump winning the “Tejano vote” in the state.
>Indeed, this is a big factor to keep in mind: the Hispanic community is diverse, and voters from different backgrounds and ancestry (e.g. Mexico vs. the Dominican Republic) offer differing levels of support to Democrats.
Remember how many times Nixon failed? Nixon took the biggest Ls of all time but that didn't stop him. He ended up winn6in the end.
Don't be a delusional faggot.
Trump won.
Brody Gray
Interestingly, the last Presidential Election with major election fraud complaints was 1960. Nixon v Kennedy.
Easton Walker
Still more white people and Mexicans increasingly support him. Latins respect strong leadership.
Nathaniel Parker
>Funny thing about people: they age. This isn't about age, it's about generations. Look at the 2004 election for example, when Boomers were 40-60. Republicans won all those age brackets but lost 18-30 (non-Boomers). This has continued to be the trend ever since, as boomers age the bracket where Republicans win shifts upwards alongside them. In 2020 Republicans won 50-64 and 65+ (Mostly Boomers) but lost every other age bracket.
>(Counting the national average in a system that depends on select regions) And yet Trump still performed worse in Texas overall than any Republican since 1996 (a 3-way race). Why are you looking at county averages in a system that depends on whole states?
Nixon in 1968 wasn't an 80 year old man with his own disastrous presidential record to defend. The only reason Trump won in 2016 was because he was able to present himself as an anti-establishment candidate to sway right-leaning Dems disappointed by Obama's performance. He obviously couldn't do that in 2020 now that he had his own 4 year record as president, nor will he be able to do it in 2024.
Luke Robinson
>And yet Trump still performed worse in Texas overall than any Republican since 1996 (a 3-way race) You're not considering Trumps losses in the 'burbs, you're also not considering Republicans down ticket performance.
>(Mostly Boomers) but lost every other age bracket. Because AMERICA is aging >The U.S. electorate is aging: 52% of registered voters are ages 50 and older, up from 41% in 1996. This shift has occurred in both partisan coalitions. More than half of Republican and GOP-leaning voters (56%) are ages 50 and older, up from 39% in 1996. And among Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters, half are 50 and older, up from 41% in 1996.
>Another way to consider the aging of the electorate is to look at median age. The median age among all registered voters increased from 44 in 1996 to 50 in 2019. It rose from 43 to 52 among Republican registered voters and from 45 to 49 among Democratic registered voters.
Jaxon Carter
>You're not considering Trumps losses in the 'burbs, And? >you're also not considering Republicans down ticket performance. We're talking about Trump's weakness as a candidate and how he has no chance of winning in 2024. The performance of other Republicans is irrelevant except as a comparison to show how uniquely poor Trump did.
>Because AMERICA is aging What does this have to do with anything? I'm aware boomers are the largest generation and such a significant chunk of the population, that's why Republicans still manage to win some elections. Thankfully they're finally starting to die off. 60 year old gen X'ers will not vote the same way as 60 year old boomers did, just like they didn't vote the same when they were 50 or 40 or 30. Republican electoral success depends on boomers specifically, not old people inherently.
Carter Rogers
>Nixon in 1968 wasn't an...REEEEEEEE!!! Just saying it's not impossible retard.
Christopher Robinson
Did I ever say it's impossible for a losing presidential candidate to win a later race? No. I said it was impossible for Trump specifically to do it.
Nicholas Hughes
>18-29 '96 GOP 17% DNC 17%
'20 GOP: 13% DNC: 19%
>30-49 '96 GOP 43 DNC 41
'20 GOP 29 DNC 30
>50-64 '96 GOP 43 DNC 41
'20 GOP 31 DNC 27
The data simply does not reflect your claims.
Angel Baker
>And? The closeness in Texas was due to Trump doing poorly in the suburbs not le brown wave. The data does not support your arguments.
Nicholas Wilson
It's not impossible for Trump retard. You schizos logic is not a fact
You're comparing an election with an incumbent Democrat and a strong third party candidate to one with an incumbent Republican and weak third parties. 2004 and 2020 is a much better comparison, and what does that data show?
>pew >utter bullshit I am sorry it doesnt say what you want it to say. Post more exit polls, I am sure it will make you feel better.
Michael Allen
To any non Americans in this thread, how much of a circus was this trial in your opinions?
Nicholas Gonzalez
I'm not going to play name favorites here. Grouping three groups as two is not valid.
Gavin Davis
Its not name favorites, its polling done by one of the best polling firms around giving us significantly better data than some fucking exit polls.
Christopher Carter
That's like, textbook appeal to authority. Politics is infamously shades of gray. If people don't belong to repub or dem, then grouping them into one is simply incorrect. Don't care who does it, a is not b.
Hudson Sullivan
>i dont understand how polling works I get it, you dont like it because it kinda shits all over your narrative but come the fuck on dude.
Nathaniel King
>narrative This shows I shouldn't bother continuing with you, but maybe others reading this might care. I'm sorry the world isn't black and white. There are more parties and political views that just 2. Acting like it is binary, no matter who you are, is factually wrong.
Aiden Rodriguez
>There are more parties and political views that just 2. Acting like it is binary, no matter who you are, is factually wrong. Third parties consumed 1.9% of the vote in 2020.
You are bordering on cope right now.
William Parker
It's not about third parties. It's about leaning. Provide a hypothetical, a registered dem who is progun "leans" repub. By definition, they would count this person twice. Counting one person twice is incorrect. Not counting them is falsifying. Counting them as only their register or only as their lean is also incorrect. So which is it? Which did the study do; lie, lie, or lie?
Julian Anderson
The methodology is on the page.
Austin Peterson
A better question is how corrupt was the trial given it was evident that Trump did incite a coup and the republicans defense was to say a president is allowed to commit any crime they want in the last month of office.
Anthony Parker
No, actually it doesn't. It says the data is from their findings, and talks about numbers with respect to the previous graph, but there is no how nor definitions nor statistical significant ranges nor what their definitions mean. It's not an academic paper so I'm not going to fault it for not listing these, but don't pretend they did so.
So, not on that page. Doesn't ultimately matter, but tells us about your intentions. Also, unfortunately, nothing about how it was collected nor what the hypothetical would result in. Are there other clicks you'd like to lead us towards? Actual methodology, perhaps and not just linking other data sets?
